tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post1201543225229244450..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: The 28.4%Silverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-17985468951509444502012-11-30T16:01:52.175-07:002012-11-30T16:01:52.175-07:00I wonder what I founders would think if they had k...I wonder what I founders would think if they had known what this great nation has turned to. It would probably make them cry.<br /><br />We need to get back to the basics and follow the Constitution. <br /><br />However, the electoral votes should no longer be used and popular vote should be the only way to win any seat, especially the presidential seat.Trekkie4Everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03226981394122557804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-44223397546331660892012-11-30T05:14:31.442-07:002012-11-30T05:14:31.442-07:00"The founding oligarchs were fallible humans....<i>"The founding oligarchs were fallible humans."</i><br /><br />Really? Wow...<br /><br />Not to worry, The Constitution is more of a guidebook now anyway. Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-72746490565292229122012-11-29T17:27:52.731-07:002012-11-29T17:27:52.731-07:00No, I do not want to wad it up.
But just as I don...No, I do not want to wad it up.<br /><br />But just as I don't believe the Bible is inerrant revelation I don't believe the Constitution is an inerrant sacred text.<br /><br />The founding oligarchs were fallible humans. <br />Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-82145306472248545932012-11-29T16:58:37.146-07:002012-11-29T16:58:37.146-07:00Ducky, again, I will not begrudge you your opinion...Ducky, again, I will not begrudge you your opinion, but reading their writings and personal papers to ascertain what they meant when the meaning is not clear is hardly childish.<br /><br />You're a progressive. You want to wad it up and throw it away, or better yet, damn as being just a guiding document. Just admit it.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-64592869632631095672012-11-29T16:35:38.741-07:002012-11-29T16:35:38.741-07:00I take issue with the electoral college. A true pi...I take issue with the electoral college. A true piece of nonsense.<br /><br />I also take issue with the notion of "original intent", as if we knew.<br /><br />Hell, historians have no clear consensus on the true causes of the Revolution. Many believe it was in fact a civil war others that it was a rebellion driven by an idea rather than any actual repression since conditions in America were good.<br /><br />I object to childish high school civics views of history. Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-48237258523588763622012-11-29T05:04:02.908-07:002012-11-29T05:04:02.908-07:00Ducky: All that you say is well and good, but we&...Ducky: All that you say is well and good, but we're not governed by it today.<br /><br />What specifically in the constitution do you take issue with?Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-56369305278662143102012-11-28T22:21:29.613-07:002012-11-28T22:21:29.613-07:00He did indeed feel that a standing army was a thre... He did indeed feel that a standing army was a threat to liberty, and the people should always have the means to defend themselves against oppression from a central government. Having read your complaints about the militarization of the police I can't imagine that your fears, and mine, in that regard are any different than his. <br /><br /> While there was indeed a attempt to wrest Canada away from the Brits, Jefferson didn't send them, as he'd left office 3 years before the War of 1812. I'll concede that he probably thought it worthwhile to try, for all the same reasons that induced him to make the Louisiana Purchase.<br /> <br /> More tomorrow as it's getting late.viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-80601270898865009462012-11-28T21:30:06.354-07:002012-11-28T21:30:06.354-07:00Jefferson was a fool who advocated an oligarchy an...Jefferson was a fool who advocated an oligarchy and had a variety of asinine ideas.<br /><br />Example: He felt we should not ave a standing army, too dangerous. Rather we should have militias (remember your sacred 2nd amendment).<br />He decided these militias were such hot stuff that he could just have them annex Canada. Of course they got a boot up their collective arse and we didn't hear any more of Jefferson's brilliant militia idea but we are still stuck arguing over the sacred 2nd amendment.<br /><br />He also had a total lack of awareness of conflict of interest and seemed to feel the Lockean cult of property was all that was needed to define a well ordered society.<br /><br />The Articles of Confederation were his idea of a well formed government. And we still have those on the right who make a fetish of <i><b> the Republic</b></i> as if they are unaware that a Republic is merely government with no monarch.<br />Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-10521089726047534872012-11-28T20:55:47.967-07:002012-11-28T20:55:47.967-07:00Ducky: "Some of it (i.e. Jefferson) is utter ...Ducky: "Some of it (i.e. Jefferson) is utter crap."<br /><br /> Now that truly puzzles me. I would think that from your perspective Jefferson would be the least objectionable of the Founders. Care to elaborate?<br /><br /> viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-18078043222669240382012-11-28T20:31:13.777-07:002012-11-28T20:31:13.777-07:00I understand that some may feel a drift away from ...I understand that some may feel a drift away from their intent is a good thing. In fact, that seems to be one of the defining characteristics of a progressive. Is that how you see it? <br /><br />------<br /><br />Yes, I admit to being completely perplexed by those who see the founder's thought as a complete sufficient revealed truth.<br /><br />Much of it is of great value but I ain't going to eat everything. Some of it (i.e. Jefferson) is utter crap.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-54646528262233574522012-11-28T19:01:34.938-07:002012-11-28T19:01:34.938-07:00One of those safeguards, the removal of which seem...One of those safeguards, the removal of which seems to be the intent of the left, lay in not creating a "national' government, but a Federal one. Intended to be the agent of the states, it has proclaimed itself their master.viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-91214442692875991472012-11-28T18:26:53.916-07:002012-11-28T18:26:53.916-07:00@ National elections these days are nothing more t...@ National elections these days are nothing more than beauty contests between two opposing teams.<br /><br />I think you omitted the fact that a large majority of voters simply root (vote) for their tean with little thought or analysis.<br /><br />@It's amazing to see how far we've been removed from the Founders intent. Were they prophets?<br /><br />They seemed to have done a fairly good job in that department, especially where it comes to populism and faction. The point is our changes to some of the checks and balances they implemented have resulted in exactly what they warned us about.<br /><br />Why do you assume that wasn't inevitable?<br /><br />I think they assumed that it was inevitable, at least the attempts were, and they tried to make it as difficult as possible.<br /><br />The arguments in constitutional convention against the Bill of Rights was that they didn't want it perceived that those 10 amendments defined our rights...<br /><br />Which pretty much seems to be the way it is today.<br /><br />Even then, clear statements such as "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Seem to have gone out the window.Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-9318854721046793522012-11-28T17:46:57.720-07:002012-11-28T17:46:57.720-07:00@Ducky << Why do you assume that wasn't ...@Ducky << Why do you assume that wasn't inevitable? >><br /><br />I think the founders thought it would be difficult to stop a drift away from their intent. That is why they worked so hard to prevent or slow that drift. And that is why they warned of it in hopes later scholars and public servants would right the ship. <br /><br />I understand that some may feel a drift away from their intent is a good thing. In fact, that seems to be one of the defining characteristics of a progressive. Is that how you see it? KPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13788103894599339102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-27983147332205338622012-11-28T17:25:26.554-07:002012-11-28T17:25:26.554-07:00It's amazing to see how far we've been rem...It's amazing to see how far we've been removed from the Founders intent.<br /><br />----<br />Were they prophets?<br /><br />Why do you assume that wasn't inevitable?Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-27213698687505141532012-11-28T17:15:51.324-07:002012-11-28T17:15:51.324-07:00...AND the 24th! ;)...AND the 24th! ;)Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-77066422998644530852012-11-28T17:12:57.682-07:002012-11-28T17:12:57.682-07:00Repeal the 17th!Repeal the 17th!Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-54553339384876197202012-11-28T14:51:49.891-07:002012-11-28T14:51:49.891-07:00JMJ
Broad brush again.
53% do not oppose gay mar...JMJ<br /><br />Broad brush again. <br />53% do not oppose gay marriage<br />50% support national healthcare, that will change when they have to start paying for it.<br />50% support legal pot smoking<br />50% support raising taxes on the "rich"<br />20% do not think 250K a year is rich.<br /><br />I hardly call 50-53% "Most"<br /><br />Now you got what most far left want. Someone else did the work for you.<br /><br />skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-19628240674602594982012-11-28T14:24:02.933-07:002012-11-28T14:24:02.933-07:00skurunner, you can fact-check everything I said. ...skurunner, you can fact-check everything I said. A majority of Americans want those things. Period.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-16278352189411309522012-11-28T13:05:03.870-07:002012-11-28T13:05:03.870-07:00Fascinating article. Thanks for your thoughts. Fascinating article. Thanks for your thoughts. KPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13788103894599339102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-46158029239518751592012-11-28T12:06:39.746-07:002012-11-28T12:06:39.746-07:00JMJ,
When you say most want !!!, how did you arri...JMJ,<br /><br />When you say most want !!!, how did you arrive at those conclusions. <br />National healthcare is split, gay marriage and legalized pot have been defeated in several states and only passed in a few. The envious non-rich, and of course Obama, want taxes raised on the rich. The remainder do not begrudge the success of others.<br /><br />You used a broad brush with no support.skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-49387439725087167902012-11-28T11:33:52.352-07:002012-11-28T11:33:52.352-07:00I'm not sure how "too much democracy"...I'm not sure how "too much democracy" is ailing the nation. Most Americans want pot legalized, gays allowed to marry, taxes on the rich raised, fair trade, universal healthcare, the end of the military empire, and a host of other things that we simply can't seem to squeeze out of our "too much democracy" government. Too much democracy? No. Too much <em>bribery</em>? OBVIOUSLY.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-32867771074497963042012-11-28T10:20:10.077-07:002012-11-28T10:20:10.077-07:00Or not spending our great-grandchildren into penur...Or not spending our great-grandchildren into penury.viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-49073964582620721472012-11-28T07:22:16.823-07:002012-11-28T07:22:16.823-07:00Often, the best leader must make decisions and cho...Often, the best leader must make decisions and choices that the majority simply will not like.<br /><br />----<br />Like kissing kapital's ass.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-19200494190299257592012-11-28T07:05:21.397-07:002012-11-28T07:05:21.397-07:00Our Founders were well read in history and knew fr...Our Founders were well read in history and knew from history that democracies ineviysbly lead to tyranny. We are witnessing that truism today in America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-51137784824827196052012-11-28T06:36:39.496-07:002012-11-28T06:36:39.496-07:00And that assumes all of the registered voters in t...And that assumes all of the registered voters in those states decide to vote. Throw in some corruption and we are no more than a banana "republic".Bunkervillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427978686579892380noreply@blogger.com