tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post3861938839103582225..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: Austerity WorksSilverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-60342874023790595692012-08-05T12:27:41.359-06:002012-08-05T12:27:41.359-06:00Oh, macro-economics is clearly not a science.Oh, macro-economics is clearly not a science.jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-61539565346015480302012-08-04T19:13:01.073-06:002012-08-04T19:13:01.073-06:00How is it possible that someone of Paul Krugman...How is it possible that someone of Paul Krugman's utterly irrational approach to fiscal policy could ever rise to such great heights?<br /><br />His prominence -- and apparent eminence -- make a mockery of the field of economics.<br /><br />Isn't it supposed to be a SCIENCE?<br /><br />Krugman's ideas are about as valid as a persistent, aggressive claim that two plus two really equals FIVE.<br /><br />GAWD!<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeFreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-73791811842141367732012-08-04T09:29:21.938-06:002012-08-04T09:29:21.938-06:00Steve: "If I hadn't been called ignorant ...Steve: "If I hadn't been called ignorant and sworn at the very first comment I left on this blog maybe things would be different; but that was your choice and SF's choice."<br /><br /> Having done some research, you seem to be referring to the discussion following your comment stamped 7/6/12 10:36 AM on SF's Fourth of July post, which by the way was not your first post on Western Hero. <br /><br /> I'll defend Silver with his own words: <br /><br /> "Steve: You made this statement: 'Of course they created rights.'<br /><br />That led me to believe you to be ignorant of Natural Rights theory as espoused by Locke.<br /><br />Saying someone is ignorant of something is not hateful or insulting. I am pretty ignorant of Marxist theory, so what? " <br /><br /> SF did not call YOU ignorant, rather he pointed out that you seemed to be 'in ignorance' of the theory of Natural Rights. That is not insult, it's information. Billions of people on the planet are happily ignorant of the Heisenberg Principle, which carries no other implication than they are not particle physicists. <br /><br /> At no point in the rest of the thread, did any one swear at you, least of all me who did not participate in that particular discussion at all. I was on vacation for much of the time and while I did read the blog, and noted your increasing frustration with your inability to engage at this level of discussion, I commented very little. In fact I did not address any comment to you until July 25th, when I took exception to your use of the pejorative 'scum' at those who disagreed with you. My intention at that time was to point out to you that personal invective is not generally characteristic of this venue. Your manners degenerating even further after that led to my later comments, and those of others who were merely responding to you in kind. Any fair reading of the evidence will show that you have brought your problems on yourself. <br /><br /> Any one of us will support your right to your opinions, but expressing them comes with a concomitant obligation to defend them. If you can't do so in a civilized fashion, without resorting to despicably ad hominem attacks, you may wish to consider restricting your comments to those left wing echo chambers where no one will question your positions.viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-23088217077752974112012-08-03T18:10:34.426-06:002012-08-03T18:10:34.426-06:00" Serious is staying on point, and treating d..." Serious is staying on point, and treating differing opinions, and their authors, with respect"<br /><br />Doesn't happen on this site, and not by you<br />Follow your own advice.<br />If I hadn't been called ignorant and sworn at the very first comment I left on this blog maybe things would be different; but that was your choice and SF's choice.<br />Showing again just how intolerant you wackos are, treating a new visitor like that.<br />I ain't crying, I'm no prude, I can follow your shit with shit of my own. <br /><br />Dmarks,<br />Typical for one of the few conspiracy nuts who still believe Iraq had WMD's<br />Your opinions are lies and you didn't give any facts to back them up, because you cannot.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597062711930899788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-76714696186236925272012-08-03T10:01:32.690-06:002012-08-03T10:01:32.690-06:00Steve said: "Republiscums are afraid to inves...Steve said: "Republiscums are afraid to invest in America?"<br /><br />The problem for you is that Republicans DO favor investing in America. And strongly. The Democrats? They like to funnel money into destructive and illegitimate special interest groups (like the Obama stimulus, which was a handout to underworked and overpaid union thugs, and ended up causing a large unemployment increase).<br /><br />---------<br /><br />Steve said: "Of course the [Obamacare] is not a [government-controlled] health care program like England has, but Republiscums don't let the truth get in the way of a good false argument."<br /><br />The truth is that Obama announced that he wanted a government-controlled unaccountable health care monopoly, but he realized that the people would not stand for it. So he tried to do the next "best" thing. As a means toward that goal.<br /><br />"It's the same old Republiscum ideology. Cutting taxes alone will produce jobs and growth, which has been proven wrong."<br /><br />It WILL produce jobs and growth. It has been proven time and again.<br /><br />"And cutting spending alone will solve our debt problems"<br /><br />Yes, it will. As we are massively overspending. And the money being spent is being robbed from productive people and is clobbering the economy. Reduce both, and it's a win win situation.<br /><br />"To bad your thinking does not promote the best America can do, instead of tearing down policies that have served America well for almost 100 years."<br /><br />The policies you favor have caused the problems to begin with.<br /><br /><br />"Austerity has caused riots and strikes all over Europe." <br /><br />So? A lot of people who have lived their lives without doing anything productive while getting rich from the government for it are turning into violent thugs now the handouts are being cut off.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-27347362590568564832012-08-03T09:54:48.904-06:002012-08-03T09:54:48.904-06:00Yes, we need to zero out forced taxpayer arts fund...Yes, we need to zero out forced taxpayer arts funding. Independent (non-government approved) art flourishes in the US. There's no need to waste one cent of government money on it.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-63383626246500104352012-08-03T03:15:19.714-06:002012-08-03T03:15:19.714-06:00Steve: "Serious is name calling? "
No. ...Steve: "Serious is name calling? "<br /><br />No. Serious is staying on point, and treating differing opinions, and their authors, with respect. Not agreement, mind you, but respect. Failing which is why you have pretty much forfeited any reasonable expectation of being taken seriously. You seem incapable of responding to any opposition to your position with anything other than derision and insult. You should seriously consider either attending a Dale Carnegie course, or a visit to the orthopedic surgeon to have that chip removed from your shoulder.viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-19143075953072949572012-08-03T00:01:24.137-06:002012-08-03T00:01:24.137-06:00Serious is name calling?
Right
ShitheadSerious is name calling? <br />Right <br />ShitheadPaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597062711930899788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-5546880071137082242012-08-02T21:59:07.419-06:002012-08-02T21:59:07.419-06:00Ducky, my my my...just how ugly CAN you get? Doin...Ducky, my my my...just how ugly CAN you get? Doin' a little pearl clutching of your own these days?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-24579533384761452792012-08-02T21:15:01.814-06:002012-08-02T21:15:01.814-06:00Now they take that money and put it back into the ...Now they take that money and put it back into the economy. It's called a multiplier and the multiplier for programs like food stamps is pretty large.<br /><br /><br />Uhhh... the money for these programs is taken out of the economy before it is put back into the economy. You presuppose that the money collected in taxes would not have been otherwise spent. These programs might move it a round a bit but the net effect is neutral, in reality slightly negative because the government spends money it doesn't have by printing more, with the net effect being devaluation.<br /><br />Your logic is like trying to fill a half empty bucket by scooping out the water and pouring it back in.<br /><br />Cheers!Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-32766420305551348262012-08-02T21:08:28.086-06:002012-08-02T21:08:28.086-06:00See what I mean?See what I mean?Sam Huntingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14780557316548397352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-90703958595240036292012-08-02T20:52:05.911-06:002012-08-02T20:52:05.911-06:00Huntington, answer the fucking question for once y...Huntington, answer the fucking question for once you ignorant stooge or go powder your wig.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-55086208112354241752012-08-02T20:50:57.751-06:002012-08-02T20:50:57.751-06:00Ducky, just MAYBE we need to stop funding the arts...Ducky, just MAYBE we need to stop funding the arts for a while? Or is that a VITAL priority? I"m ALL for more funding of the arts, by the way, but in times like these<br /><br />---------<br /><br />It wouldn't have any significant effect on our indebtedness (not one bit) and a lot of local arts councils who count on funding would cut back.<br /><br />A local arts company received some Federal money for a Shakespeare program. So you employ tailors, carpenters, electricians, actors, caterers and others.<br />Matinees were held for local schools and I doubt even the right objects to Shakespeare in the curriculum.<br /><br />Now they take that money and put it back into the economy. It's called a multiplier and the multiplier for programs like food stamps is pretty large.<br /><br />So there's your lesson for the day. All government speding isn't equal.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-37621786088496515772012-08-02T19:34:53.534-06:002012-08-02T19:34:53.534-06:00Ducky: " Explain the vetting process and who ...Ducky: " Explain the vetting process and who participates? "<br /><br /> It's already been done. http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html<br /><br />q.v. Article 1 Section 8viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-48055923978207425222012-08-02T19:28:21.588-06:002012-08-02T19:28:21.588-06:00Are you kidding with me again, Ducky … or are you ...Are you kidding with me again, Ducky … or are you actually that obtuse? Here’s an idea: come back and engage in conversation when your brain is fully developed.Sam Huntingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14780557316548397352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-69629319122162411122012-08-02T18:43:18.960-06:002012-08-02T18:43:18.960-06:00Why would prioritizing spending necessarily have a...Why would prioritizing spending necessarily have anything to do with low taxes?<br /><br />Because the government spends a shitload of money on things it isn't constitutionally authorized to do?Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-14364983784682250892012-08-02T18:42:58.462-06:002012-08-02T18:42:58.462-06:00Oh, brother...Steve's another one who still th...Oh, brother...Steve's another one who still thinks "health care in Germany's FREE!" Yes, it is if you're derelict. If you're not, it's about $1000 a MONTH. and the derelict health care stinks, by the way. But, believe what you're told by the lefties who want you to think WE CAN DO IT HERE, TOO (except it isn't WORKING there...even Gerhard Schroeder, 10 YEARS ago (I was there, don't deny this, please...it's an insult to your intelligence) begged Germans to buy private health insurance because GERMANY CAN'T AFFORD THIS ANYMORE. GET IT, LIBS?<br />Ya, we're following a failing continent. GOOD JOB, OBAMA!<br />My German husband used to say "what's with AMerica? I came here to get away from socialism and this country's following one EUropean mistake after the other". <br /><br />Ducky, just MAYBE we need to stop funding the arts for a while? Or is that a VITAL priority? I"m ALL for more funding of the arts, by the way, but in times like these? <br />How about prioritizing WASTE like GSA CONVENTIONS? <br />Or the IRS losing millions because of stupidity?<br />we could all add to the list,...at least thinking people would.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-34287878116795657652012-08-02T18:25:55.630-06:002012-08-02T18:25:55.630-06:00@Powderedwig - Finally, we should think this soci...@Powderedwig - Finally, we should think this society or government would come to an agreement about how to prioritize spending. Under these circumstances, we should assume diminished spending and low taxes.<br /><br />---------<br /><br />Why would prioritizing spending necessarily have anything to do with low taxes?<br /><br />Explain the vetting process and who participates? I can't wait.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-66545262469773430752012-08-02T18:11:49.825-06:002012-08-02T18:11:49.825-06:00The libs are the masters of disinformation. Conser...The libs are the masters of disinformation. Conservatives/libertarians rely on facts and reality. <br /><br />Government interventionism is what got us into this financial fiasco.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-23429781133325352062012-08-02T17:16:49.087-06:002012-08-02T17:16:49.087-06:00"Liberal droppings..." I like that!
St..."Liberal droppings..." I like that!<br /><br />Steve, we take one another quite seriously here. We even take our liberal interlocutors seriously.<br /><br />You and Liberalmann are the only ones we don't take seriously. Every court needs a jester...Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-54250057111295934242012-08-02T17:08:13.187-06:002012-08-02T17:08:13.187-06:00Mustang,
Liberalmann has been dropping that link a...Mustang,<br />Liberalmann has been dropping that link all over the place today. **sigh**<br /><br />A few minutes ago, he left another dropping at Sam's post today.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-39830237305554835542012-08-02T17:06:45.724-06:002012-08-02T17:06:45.724-06:00That's right more insults and disinformation, ...That's right more insults and disinformation, and you wonder why no one takes you seriously.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597062711930899788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-62527181641567972292012-08-02T16:47:02.514-06:002012-08-02T16:47:02.514-06:00Austerity forces us to presume that sober people a...Austerity forces us to presume that sober people are necessarily niggardly. They do not wish to spend any money at all, unless, or until, it becomes unavoidable. Then we should assume a society or government that will establish a process by which all proposed spending undergoes a vetting process. Finally, we should think this society or government would come to an agreement about how to prioritize spending. Under these circumstances, we should assume diminished spending and low taxes.<br /><br />This has not been an American tradition since government relegated spending to the whim of elected officials with the tacit approval of the general populace.<br /><br />Margaret Thatcher was right.Sam Huntingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14780557316548397352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-85565624772445549702012-08-02T16:44:37.985-06:002012-08-02T16:44:37.985-06:00@"American economic history proves raising ta...@"American economic history proves raising taxes does not inhibit growth,"<br /><br />let me correctly finish that sentence for you:<br /><br />American economic history proves raising taxes does not inhibit growth, when all your competitors have been bombed into smoking ruins and you're the only game in town.<br /><br />@"just because Republiscums are afraid to invest in America"<br /><br />No, no, you've got it all wrong. We're not afraid to invest in America, we're afraid to invest in the likes of you.<br /><br />Let me see if I got this:<br /><br />The man who uses the term "Republiscums" six times in two paragraphs is the same man who just said "Why don't you explain where I'm wrong? No just insults"<br /><br />That in a nutshell perfectly captures what is wrong with the progressive left.Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-41865980563932117012012-08-02T16:38:23.810-06:002012-08-02T16:38:23.810-06:00A lesson in progressive logic:
"I think we s...A lesson in progressive logic:<br /><br />"I think we should give all the money to mortgage brokers to spend."<br /><br />If your not going to spend it on one program, spend it on another.<br /><br />However, the argument is over who sacrifices, arms manufacturers, venture capitalists, single mothers who can barely put food on the table?<br /><br />More progressive logic... we have to pick who sacrifices.<br /><br />What it will come down to is true believers trying their damnedest to hold on to a little while they screw the ones with nothing.<br /><br />It can't be us, it has to be us vs. them. So do you suppose during the war, they sat around trying to decide who needed to sacrifice?<br /><br />And as far as "single mothers who can barely put food on the table?"<br /><br />I only have one question... is it mine?Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.com