tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post4207594005878628223..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: The NDAA and YouSilverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-80385420597706672712012-01-14T08:13:56.695-07:002012-01-14T08:13:56.695-07:00"Third, it is a felony for any government emp..."Third, it is a felony for any government employee to deprive a citizen of their Constitutional rights."<br /><br />That makes Ron Paul a would-be felon, if he had his way. He wants to strip citizenship rights and protections from the children of people who have been suspected of certain crimes.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-62011144127184167822012-01-10T15:35:00.624-07:002012-01-10T15:35:00.624-07:00Anon at 9:37 AM:
Excellent points. All of what t...Anon at 9:37 AM:<br /><br />Excellent points. All of what the TSA does is illegal - much the same with other alphabet soup agencies.<br /><br />I believe Section 242 and the oath of office each of these bureaucrats mouthed will come back to haunt them.<br /><br />The future most likely will not be like today. I believe the future promises much more freedom, but also much more hardship than today.<br /><br />The people of the future will be constantly reminded of the easy life of our generation in contrast to the difficult life they have to contend with - much of it due to decisions by political leaders and bureaucrats today. They will be very angry.<br /><br /><b>In the future I foresee Nuremberg-style tribunals where high level politicians, political appointees, and senior executive service (SES) bureaucrats will be tried for their egregious crimes against the Constitution and violating their oath. </b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-19933994138682094512012-01-10T09:37:16.814-07:002012-01-10T09:37:16.814-07:00Been reading the remarks here. Just thought I mig...Been reading the remarks here. Just thought I might clarify a couple of things. First, yes there have been innocent folks in Guantanamo. We know this because many of them have been released after it was determined they were not a threat to us or anyone else. The fact is that many of these folks were simply turned in by disgruntled neighbors looking to make a quick buck on the bounty. Second, I don't care what this bill says. It's illegal, and I doubt it will stand up in a court of law if it is ever legally challenged. Third, it is a felony for any government employee to deprive a citizen of their Constitutional rights. Just look up Section 242 of the U.S. code. In addition, government employees are also personally liable for civil damages if they violate someone's rights as well. So, before you go out and start rounding up citizens, breaking up peaceful protests, or confiscating firearms in house to house searches, I would advise you to think long and hard about your actions. These laws are on the books and they do carry stiff criminal and civil penalties and at some point you could be prosecuted or sued for your actions. Just sayin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-79523381646497667642012-01-07T15:32:26.583-07:002012-01-07T15:32:26.583-07:00"it was Obama who demanded the detention word..."it was Obama who demanded the detention wording be included in the bill - "<br /><br />Hard to believe it was the same obama squawking so shrilly about the detention of terrorists in gitmo back in the day.<br /><br />Then again, it's par for the course for a leftard.MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-38539924119243471642012-01-07T14:16:28.748-07:002012-01-07T14:16:28.748-07:00As for the idea of violence never settling anythin...As for the idea of violence never settling anything., has anyone ever proposed any sort of well thought out solution to the problem of the aggression of the Axis in WW2 that did not involve fighting back?dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-15873813785028794582012-01-06T13:33:27.951-07:002012-01-06T13:33:27.951-07:00Violence does settle things.
In the words of Robe...Violence <b>does</b> settle things.<br /><br />In the words of Robert Heinlein,<br /><br />"Those who cling to the untrue doctrine that violence never settles anything would be advised to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it... Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor... Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."<br /><br />We are dealing with bullies here who are not afraid to use the ultimate sanction, if needed, to get their way. I learned at an early age there was one sure way to deal with bullies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-48285047515684754862012-01-06T13:13:49.571-07:002012-01-06T13:13:49.571-07:00I don't believe a thing that comes out of the ...I don't believe a thing that comes out of the Liar-in-Chief's mouth.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-63432849464180645342012-01-06T06:30:42.695-07:002012-01-06T06:30:42.695-07:00Ducky said: "We have been surrendering due pr...Ducky said: "We have been surrendering due process under the guise of security for decades."<br /><br />No liberal can speak in favor of due process without looking like a hypocritical fool. Look at racist "affirmative action", in which individuals are punished and denied rights just because they have the same skin color as some other 'bad guys'.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-39754983859431755902012-01-06T06:27:09.333-07:002012-01-06T06:27:09.333-07:00"It gets only better. Now a Congressman from ..."It gets only better. Now a Congressman from Pennsylvania has introduced a bill to strip people of their citizenship for engaging in "hostilities"."<br /><br />Reminds me of Ron Paul and others, who want to ignore the 14th Amendment and strip native-born Americans of their citizenship for the supposed crimes of their parents.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-70132695636904045972012-01-06T06:00:21.710-07:002012-01-06T06:00:21.710-07:00Silverfiddle,
Glad that what I said made sense to ...Silverfiddle,<br />Glad that what I said made sense to you.<br /><br />I need at least three cups of strong coffee to get going in the morning. Damn, I hate old age.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-87212199866647096202012-01-06T05:24:35.150-07:002012-01-06T05:24:35.150-07:00I get what you are saying, AOW...I get what you are saying, AOW...Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-75252707700201251732012-01-06T04:17:59.821-07:002012-01-06T04:17:59.821-07:00Did Lincoln write anything about his suspension of...Did Lincoln write anything about his suspension of <i>habeas corpus</i>?<br /><br />Is there a contradiction between his position that the Union cannot be dissolved and his determination that secessionists were traitors?<br /><br />Damn. I hope that we don't fight the 19th Century American Civil War again all over the web.<br /><br />Maybe me father was right: Wars don't really settle anything. **sigh**Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-59520114986189570692012-01-06T04:13:04.121-07:002012-01-06T04:13:04.121-07:00FreeThinke,
Our sacred founding principles and ide...FreeThinke,<br /><i>Our sacred founding principles and ideals of law and justice were designed for a people morally, spiritually, socially and psychologically conditioned to agree to them and abide by them.</i><br /><br />As in accountability and responsibility?<br /><br />Self-government via small government cannot work if citizens don't have as part of the fabric of their being both accountability and responsibility -- <b>BEFORE</b> the law intervenes. In other words, the pre-frontal lobes have to be functioning!Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-14165429899543414502012-01-06T04:09:39.020-07:002012-01-06T04:09:39.020-07:00I am not among The Ladies Who Lunch (as Duck put i...I am not among <i>The Ladies Who Lunch</i> (as Duck put it). Unless one calls me a Lady Who Lunches because I either eat lunch at work or here at home between caregiving tasks.<br /><br />Regarding rights....<br /><br />IMO, civil rights as found enumerated in our Constitution are not the same as human rights, the latter a term often used by the Left and the United Nations.<br /><br />Civil rights as enumerated in our Constitution originated from more than one source but the codification of those rights is found in the Constitution.<br /><br />Also, conviction for acts of treason and the commission of certain felonies do cancel one's civil rights.<br /><br />Take a look around the world. Note that many countries do not extend to non-citizens the same rights as extended to citizens.<br /><br />In my view, we should distinguish between civil rights and morality, that is, the humane treatment of individuals.<br /><br />I fear that I'm not being clear in this comment, but I'm going to hit "Publish," anyway.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-83678439618251984402012-01-05T20:34:56.862-07:002012-01-05T20:34:56.862-07:00I'm thinking one of the enemy's smartyr me...I'm thinking one of the enemy's smartyr meatbombers will have to detonate itself inside an airport security inspection scanner and frag its fellow boarding passengers for them to make a "how did we overlook such a possibility" conclusion. Then again "poor" people make portable artillery rockets and warheads in their garages in other countries. <br /><br />It's really a shame that fighting wars in Islamic countries creates terrorists among people we shouldn't profile at the airport, huh?<br /><br />It's like nuclear bomb detectors in ports. If the nuke goes off once the cargo ship it is on reaches the docks for inspection, how will we know if the guy sent to inspect the containers was there detecting it when it went off?<br /><br />Will Jack Bauer get there in time, Hollywood?(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-72945685024838777602012-01-05T19:44:05.889-07:002012-01-05T19:44:05.889-07:00I often wonder what Ducky's final thought migh...I often wonder what Ducky's final thought might be if he had the misfortune to be blown to bits by a Muslim Suicide bomber?<br /><br />Do you think, even then, he'd be searching for a way to blame "Zionists," "Corporatists," "Chucklenuts," "Kapital" and "Saint Ronnie Raygun?"<br /><br />Would there be time to think at all in such a situation?<br /><br />Only the dead know for sure -- and they ain't talkin.'<br /><br />Still, I'd rather take the chance of being blown to bits in mid air than submit to the TSA.<br /><br />Freedom cannot exist without taking risks. <br /><br /><b>A Risk-Free Society is a Society of Slaves and Automata.</b><br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-73227932046155541322012-01-05T19:20:48.434-07:002012-01-05T19:20:48.434-07:00Z: Thanks for the clarification. Ducky always re...Z: Thanks for the clarification. Ducky always refers to "ladies who lunch" in the plural, so I assumed he was grouping AOW and perhaps others in there as well.<br /><br />What is it about liberal men having problems with smart conservative women?Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-10429980942256156302012-01-05T18:58:50.913-07:002012-01-05T18:58:50.913-07:00Great thread!
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Z: do you...Great thread!<br /><br /><><><><br /><br />Z: do you wear a red hat :-)KPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13788103894599339102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-83067655803888950262012-01-05T18:46:54.273-07:002012-01-05T18:46:54.273-07:00No, Silverfiddle. I'M the 'lady who lunch...No, Silverfiddle. I'M the 'lady who lunches' and I won't give up the lovely title :-) I've sung the song too many times and love it.<br /><br />I was wondering if Obama's appointing of people who congress doesn't want is a 'hostility'? When do we get to arrest him? :-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-56981369767104099992012-01-05T18:01:00.692-07:002012-01-05T18:01:00.692-07:00Jersey, from day one my position on the Patriot Ac...Jersey, from day one my position on the Patriot Act was Ben Frankin's, the same goes for the NDAA:<br /><br />"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."<br /><br />Disband Homeland Security, Disband the TSA... while your at it you can throw in a half dozen or so other unenumerated powers ursurped by the federal government.<br /><br />To the liberal argument..."well you don't have to fly if you don't like it", I offer "you don't have to walk down the street either".<br /><br />If the airlines want to strip search and x-ray passengers, it is within their right to do so, they own the planes. For the federal government to do so constitutes unreasonable search. It's the balless judges pissing their pants and letting politicians get away with this crap that is eroding our freedoms, not anyone on this blog.<br /><br />Me, I don't fly on my dime anymore. I'll fly for my employer but that's about it, and it has nothing to do with terrorists and everything to do with the TSA. By my reckoning the airlines are out 10 or 15K already. I'll drive across country before I'll fly again, and if I go to Europe or Asia I'll fly a foreign flagged carrier simply out of spite.<br /><br />Cheers!Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-77480173310925038032012-01-05T17:41:01.832-07:002012-01-05T17:41:01.832-07:00Jack, got it... you don't like Gitmo. So, wha...Jack, got it... you don't like Gitmo. So, what's your alternative?<br /><br />Contrary to the belief of many progressives, war is not UN sanctioned international law enforcement and the military are not cops.<br /><br />The problem is you thinking we need to bring them to justice instead of to Allah?<br /><br />If you have sufficient intelligence to send a squad in to kick down a door, toss in a flash bang, and capture a terrorist you have sufficient intelligence to send a squad in, break a window and toss in a fragmentation grenade. In other words, it is a legitimate military target.<br /><br />The first rule of warfare is to know your enemy, and I got news for you bubba, your enemy doesn't give a shit about your "rights". The fact that you won't kill the other seven people in a room to take a high value target earns you their contempt not their respect.<br /><br />They don't think like you.<br />They don't act like you.<br />They don't fight like you.<br />They don't govern like you.<br /><br />As I said from nearly the beginning, if we had rolled the artillery in and levelled Fallujah that would have been the end of most of our problems with organized resistance in the occupation of Iraq.<br /><br />Not compassionate enough for you? Drop leaflets informing the populace that the city will cease to exist in three days... that's the extent of my compassion.<br /><br />It isn't the military you have to blame for this shithole, it's the state department with overly idealistic views of turning Iraq into New Jersey. <br /><br />Your enemy thinks you lack the will and stomach for warfare... and frankly, they're probably right. Best you withdraw and strip search grannies before boarding a plane if it makes you feel better.Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-56502277120087023342012-01-05T15:34:12.536-07:002012-01-05T15:34:12.536-07:00The sainted Abraham Lincoln is REVERED for having ...<i>The sainted Abraham Lincoln is REVERED for having suspended habeas corpus, jailed or intimidated all meaninful opposition, thumbed his nose (figuratively, I assume) at Chief Justice Roger Taney [pronounced "Tawny," God only knows why] so that Lincoln to force his will upon a reluctant, largely unwilling nation.</i><br /><br />Yawn.<br /><br />Abraham Lincoln is perhaps more revered for his granting of habeas corpus and other rights and dignities to Jefferson Davis' 500 slaves, jackass.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-77153968793956819602012-01-05T15:30:31.755-07:002012-01-05T15:30:31.755-07:00Fact is, nothing you say is supporting your argume...<i>Fact is, nothing you say is supporting your argument. You say that it would be wrong for the military to detain an American citizen without trial on the suspicion that the citizen is a terrorist or has links to terrorism. But, you defend the decisions of the military to detain foreign nationals without trial on suspicion that they are or have ties to terrorists.</i><br /><br />Actually, the fact is you're not arguing against anything I've said.<br /><br />I have no problem with the military detaining "unlawful combatants" under the strict guidelines enacted by the Bush administration, be they American citizen or not. (see John Walker Lindh, Bryant Neal Vinas, etc.)<br /><br />What I DO have a problem with is the Obamaoist muddying of this process with new guidelines and shifted definitions that are inevitably (and perhaps intentionally) more vague.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-68925775907182032022012-01-05T15:15:45.676-07:002012-01-05T15:15:45.676-07:00Jack,
Most of your points are well taken, and I s...Jack,<br /><br />Most of your points are well taken, and I share your concerns, but sooner or later the demands of REALPOLITIK must take precedence over idealism and ideology. They always do. <br /><br />It's possibly the saddest of many sad facts of life but <b>when the chips are down MIGHT MAKES RIGHT</b>. It's naive to deny that.<br /><br />The sainted Abraham Lincoln is REVERED for having suspended <i>habeas corpus</i>, jailed or intimidated all meaninful opposition, thumbed his nose (figuratively, I assume) at Chief Justice Roger Taney <i>[pronounced "Tawny," God only knows why]</i> so that Lincoln to force <i>his</i> will upon a reluctant, largely unwilling nation. <br /><br />His scofflaw approach to governance resulted in the gruesome, unnecessary death of SIX-HUNDRED-THIRTY-FIVE -THOUSAND, countless maimed and wounded, chronically ill and insane, the impoverishment and lifelong suffering of countless widows and orphans and the loss and destruction of countless millions of dollars with of property and over a hundred years of bitterness and hate dividing the nation. Yet the hagiographers have turned this man -- one of the worst mass murderers in history -- into a secular SAINT, and we meekly ACCEPT their verdict. Go figger. <br /><br />If you're looking for "Justice," you will never find it in <i>this</i> world, Jack.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-66346795932532003332012-01-05T14:27:58.332-07:002012-01-05T14:27:58.332-07:00The problem with adopting One-Size-Fits-All laws t...The problem with adopting One-Size-Fits-All laws that do not openly discriminate against the most likely suspects is, of course, the capacity of such diffuse, generic statutes to be turned against the very people who wrote them the moment an unprincipled opponent (i.e, a Dictocrat ;-) gets into power. <br /><br />The laws don't slide off the books with every change of administration.<br /><br />Even so, I seriously doubt the Founders were thinking of Satanic Cults, Asiatic Barbarians, Islamic Fundamentalists and African Savage Practitioners of Voodoo when they wrote the Constitution and amended it with The Bill of Rights.<br /><br />It might be "nice," but I think it's naive to imagine they were thinking of the entire world population as it is in reality.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com