tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post4643581651221725896..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: Live and Let Die: The Creepy Side of ProgressivismSilverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-2332849134214041132011-01-24T15:22:09.125-07:002011-01-24T15:22:09.125-07:00ah yes the feminists, I forgot to give them kudos ...ah yes the feminists, I forgot to give them kudos for their role.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02173702830006208833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-76976980286392901492011-01-24T13:06:18.444-07:002011-01-24T13:06:18.444-07:00Right, Lisa, the Welfare State destroyed the Ameri...Right, Lisa, the Welfare State destroyed the American family and the feminists destroyed everything else!Divine Theatrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02553420826262806110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-36184512029217250472011-01-24T12:47:50.374-07:002011-01-24T12:47:50.374-07:00Just go to any inner city and see what liberal pol...Just go to any inner city and see what liberal policies have done.Thanks to the welfare state they created we see alot of pregnancy among under aged girls<br />being they don't need and education because they don't need a job or a husband.<br /><br />Their so called "hand out" policies haven't done a thing to improve that situation in 50 years.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02173702830006208833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-36230885246453602352011-01-24T12:03:29.664-07:002011-01-24T12:03:29.664-07:00"Good ol' misogynistic, patriarchal, auth..."Good ol' misogynistic, patriarchal, authoritarian conservatives. Where would we be without you? Oh! That's right! In a better future!"<br /><br />Good ol' fascist, totalitarian, morally bankrupt liberals. Where would we be without you? Oh! That's right! In a far, far better world!<br /><br />Cheers<br />MKMathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-75700051379341834362011-01-24T11:31:02.120-07:002011-01-24T11:31:02.120-07:00Jersey, you are a caricture of a self-involved, ri...Jersey, you are a caricture of a self-involved, righteous left wing nitwit. I MUST assume you are merely a troll because you never participate in logical debate. If you really put any thought into your position you would certainly have more to say than ou currently do.Divine Theatrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02553420826262806110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-18854986614186487502011-01-24T11:19:37.735-07:002011-01-24T11:19:37.735-07:00Good ol' misogynistic, patriarchal, authoritar...Good ol' misogynistic, patriarchal, authoritarian conservatives. Where would we be without you? Oh! That's right! In a better future!<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-21490168315587503142011-01-24T09:45:30.635-07:002011-01-24T09:45:30.635-07:00The lady doth protest too much.The lady doth protest too much.Divine Theatrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02553420826262806110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-6215865334539763152011-01-24T09:15:22.111-07:002011-01-24T09:15:22.111-07:00DT, I thought you were resolutely refusing to say ...DT, I thought you were resolutely refusing to say what order I should rescue people. How can you claim that I'm wrong to rescue to attractive woman first? Are you judging her life to be worth less than the handicapped man's?<br /><br />I was answering from my own perspective, which is not a professional firefighter's. I'm just an heroic passer-by with nerves of steel and a sturdy ladder. Plus, I was joking. I've no idea what choice I'd make, I've never done anything that heroic in real life. However, in that situation I would be forced to make a choice (apparently that makes me a monster?) and I'd be unsurprised if subconscious evolutionary psychology would lead me to prefer pretty girls over guys.jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-76098333734405460062011-01-24T08:12:43.696-07:002011-01-24T08:12:43.696-07:00I agree, Silverfiddle. As you know my husband is ...I agree, Silverfiddle. As you know my husband is a police officer. The deal is to save WHOMever you can HOWever you can. Not women and children first, or elderly last or any of that BS. Get them out the best way you can and try not to die, is pretty much it.<br />I actually GUFFAWED when I read that "Sanger doesn't approve of eugenics so that makes her A Okay"! If you would save the attractive woman first you woul NEVER qualify for the job in the first place. That's why there are VERY few lefties in the Fire Department or The Police Department...poor judgement skills disqualify them...unless of course they are affirmative action employees. They let silly lefties in if they are chicks, or hermaphrodites or some poor minority who allegedly is incapable of getting a job without special treatment. I wonder why that is?Divine Theatrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02553420826262806110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-43023273565683742522011-01-24T08:09:50.142-07:002011-01-24T08:09:50.142-07:00I had in mind some medical cases of conjoined twin...I had in mind some medical cases of conjoined twins. I assume that rescue services must sometimes at least choose whom to rescue first, if not (Thankfully) whom to rescue at all; I also expect that they wouldn't like or be expected to conduct an interview about it for the general public explaining their choice. It would take a particularly cold interviewer to throw that question in. (otoh, i'd be surprised if such questions weren't visited from time to time in closed debriefing sessions).<br /><br />I take it you would be against separating conjoined twins, if that would be construed as sacrificing one twin for the good of the other? (eg. jodie and mary.) It is safer, is it not, to let them both die, since the alternative would be to assign greater human worth to the stronger one?jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-77300039764347623662011-01-24T07:24:19.590-07:002011-01-24T07:24:19.590-07:00Jez:
These judgments must be made all the time?...Jez: <br /><br />These judgments must be made all the time? Give us some links. I hear news of house fires, car crashes all the time, and I can't recall the last time a fire chief stood beside the wreckage explaining how they chose to save person A but leave person B to burn to death.<br /><br />There are many in this world who would admire your method for ranking human worth. I am not one of them.<br /><br />Finally, a pregnancy is not a burning house. There is no emergency where a "choice" must be made, so the whole thing is a false analogy.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-88778045226631712702011-01-24T05:20:04.813-07:002011-01-24T05:20:04.813-07:00I don't know much about Margaret Sanger, but I...I don't know much about Margaret Sanger, but I do know that she was already opposed to the Nazi application of eugenics by the early 30s, which is quite an impressive display of judgement imo. There were certainly plenty of folks in the allied countries who failed to condemn Germany at that time.<br /><br />"[Fireman's dilemma is] a ridiculous hypothetical trap set to spring on pro-lifers. Its purpose is to suck us into the depraved world of "moral" judgments where we weigh the value of one human life against another."<br /><br />As far as I am aware, exactly this judgement is must be made routinely by medical teams and rescue services. It is even codified as simple "women and children first" style principles.<br /><br />"Here’s the creepy, progressive eugenics part of this thought experiment: What if the choice were between an old person and a young person?"<br />Women and children first. Beyond that, a young, fit adult would probably be trying to help me rescue the old person.<br /><br />"Do you save a severely handicapped man or the beautiful and healthy young woman?"<br />If I were single, the woman of course. That's a no-brainer.<br /><br />I don't see much of a problem with this, the fireman has no choice but to choose. The reluctantly pregnant woman's choice is not as urgent, so is a different category of dilemma..<br /><br />There are some other interesting ethical thought experiments, eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem which are maybe a better fit to the case where the developing fetus threatens the woman's health. I know those cases are rare, but even so there exist pro-lifers who object to terminations even in that circumstance.<br /><br />"To the pro-choice crowd I ask, how can you condemn this man? <br />How can you call this murder, but killing the baby inside the mother OK? Do your morals really hinge on such a thin legal distinction?"<br /><br />It's a biological distinction: I associate a lot of the human properties that make human life valuable with the brain as a physical organ (manipulate it, and those human properties alter; damage it and those properties are impaired etc.). A 3rd trimester fetus certainly has a nicely functioning human brain; a 2nd trimester one possibly has many of those functions up and running; a 1st trimester one almost certainly doesn't. (I say almost only because I can't claim expertise in brain development; but I'm pretty sure of it).<br /><br />"Well, abortion is legal. So tell us how this house of horrors happened?"<br />Good question. There's no rational reason for a woman to choose one of these illegal, expensive and dangerous abortions over a legal, cheaper and safer one, is there? Was there anything that might have stopped them getting one?jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-81360354230111716522011-01-24T02:47:24.802-07:002011-01-24T02:47:24.802-07:00No, Jersey, not all abortion is bad. I think it i...No, Jersey, not all abortion is bad. I think it is perfectly acceptable upon the written consent of the fetus.Divine Theatrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02553420826262806110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-79337142686802656332011-01-23T21:20:38.581-07:002011-01-23T21:20:38.581-07:00progressive is such a poor choice of words for the...progressive is such a poor choice of words for them my friend...anything but going foward..more like barabaric regressives!WomanHonorThyselfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17211851365273181636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-21847671374946374942011-01-23T20:57:29.840-07:002011-01-23T20:57:29.840-07:00What a ridiculous display.
One doctor behaves app...What a ridiculous display.<br /><br />One doctor behaves apparently unethically and somehow all abortion is wrong?<br /><br />Stupid. It is beneath argument.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-69551522405692049492011-01-23T18:55:17.766-07:002011-01-23T18:55:17.766-07:00That is a very well written article! I completely ...That is a very well written article! I completely agree. I am so fearful of late about our society. Today I posted my thoughts on how to help change things but I don't know that it will help. Our society is so deeply entrenched with liberal teachings and women are drunk on the blood of innocents all in the name of "choice". Scary and sad.<br /><br />Thank you for fighting the good fight. Never give up, never give in!<br /><br />God bless.<br />Sparky :)<br />(Visiting from The Malcontent's blog)Sparkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531515666554867421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-30430131663880861362011-01-23T18:35:16.070-07:002011-01-23T18:35:16.070-07:00In their heart of hearts, the pro-death crowd don&...In their heart of hearts, the pro-death crowd don't feel that what this fellow did was murder. They simply see it as a doctor who didn't follow the proper guidelines and simply needs some sort of fine or something like that.MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-47730755271694878002011-01-23T18:20:16.787-07:002011-01-23T18:20:16.787-07:00DT I never heard of that they eat human fetuses. ...DT I never heard of that they eat human fetuses. I know they eat things that are repulsive to us, but that is just....I can't even find the word for it.<br />Although I do know some liberals who would probably eat their own to push their agenda.<br />That's a interesting point you ring up about child labor there. Never thought of it that way.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02173702830006208833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-46049196396244404292011-01-23T17:40:11.270-07:002011-01-23T17:40:11.270-07:00Regardless of what stage a baby is in development ...Regardless of what stage a baby is in development there is life and no one has the right to take that precious life away.<br /><br />I will never understand why people like Sanger, Gosnell and liberals feel that they can play God and kill whom they choose.<br /><br />You would think they would be grateful that their mother chose to keep them instead of killing them.Trekkie4Everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03226981394122557804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-52633848803013918942011-01-23T15:09:14.550-07:002011-01-23T15:09:14.550-07:00I have never been pro-China...they eat human fetus...I have never been pro-China...they eat human fetuses there. Tis' true! I am, however, pro-child labor. That always makes me popular with the progressives!<br />I recall explaining to a college professor that the Industrial Revolution was not as bad for children as he claimed. Seems the lefties think that if Chinese children weren't working in factories making a wage they would be afrolic in a field of flowers or somesuch nonsense. I have attempted to explain until I am blue in the face that, just like the Industrial Revolution improved lives in the West, "child slavery" in places like Africa and China actually give these children a shot at a future. Imagine that. Instead of literally dying in the streets these kids can afford food and medicine so they actually make it into adulthood! How horrendous! How heartless!<br />My college professor was a smart man. He listened and subsequently joined the Libertarian Party!Divine Theatrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02553420826262806110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-15981861903119751762011-01-23T15:00:52.287-07:002011-01-23T15:00:52.287-07:00The only way the left will have something to say a...The only way the left will have something to say about this is if they can prove Bush forced them go to this butcher because Medicaid wouldn't cover their abortions.<br /><br />Now that the liberals all of a sudden are Pro China ,rah,rah rah they must agree with how they abort girls and/or have them disappear after they are born. Or will they just have nothing to comment about it being China has a "different political system" than ours.<br />Oh and because we have democrat president. Go Walmart!!!!!!Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02173702830006208833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-39516648917982266482011-01-23T14:55:20.521-07:002011-01-23T14:55:20.521-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02173702830006208833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-83721681575016994592011-01-23T13:58:35.171-07:002011-01-23T13:58:35.171-07:00I generally try and remain aloof when it comes to ...I generally try and remain aloof when it comes to this debate. When the opportunity presents itself, I vote my conscience, which is pro-life based on ethical as opposed to religious reasoning, yet I abide by the decisions of the majority with little in the way of activism.<br /><br />Incidents like this and the arguments rejecting the concept of time limits presented in the Slate article give me pause to wonder if we aren't horribly too far down the road in the wrong direction.<br /><br />If you are willing to advocate abortion the day before birth, why not the day after? There is little difference. If this is okay, what is wrong with post-birth abortions? When do you stop? 1-week, 1-month, 6-months, 1-year? <br /><br />There is a fuzzy ambiguity at day one, that clarifies over time and through development. I find I have few issues with the morning after pill, there are many fertilized eggs that fail to implant anyway.<br /><br />When it comes to drawing that line between human and not, one cell? two? 128? 256? It is a dangerous road upon which to tread to attempt to so precisely define what is human and what is not. <br /><br />One wonders what, if any, legal charges should be pursued against the mothers, who presumably knowing that second or third term abortions were illegal in their state, chose to travel to Pennsylvania (where they were also illegal) to a doctor who was known to skirt or outright ignore the law. I think you will find most of the mainstream mute on that one.Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-5796571458437612292011-01-23T12:43:03.717-07:002011-01-23T12:43:03.717-07:00Oddly, the notion of keeping one's knees toget...Oddly, the notion of keeping one's knees together until one is responsible enough to care for a child never enters the "mind" of the feminazis and progressives!Divine Theatrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02553420826262806110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-88358681924839833792011-01-23T12:05:56.727-07:002011-01-23T12:05:56.727-07:00Does "progressivism" have a NON-creepy s...Does "progressivism" have a NON-creepy side?<br /><br />It's a death cult, full stop. And you do a great job here of pointing out their astounding hypocrisy.Karen Howeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173834892107649627noreply@blogger.com