tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post5911878880219975209..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: Camp of the Saints: Europe's Nighmare Becoming RealitySilverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-52000249856702707002011-06-17T19:04:04.611-06:002011-06-17T19:04:04.611-06:00Finntann, I just clicked the invisible "Like&...Finntann, I just clicked the invisible "Like" button on your comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-26513237003718896422011-06-17T00:26:31.604-06:002011-06-17T00:26:31.604-06:00It'll be quite a show, watching euro liberal t...It'll be quite a show, watching euro liberal trash learning the hard way about their glorious multi-culti. It'll be even more fun watching their counterparts weaseling and squirming around the truth, most unwilling to accept what's staring them in the face.MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-33083180177143701442011-06-16T21:54:36.114-06:002011-06-16T21:54:36.114-06:00Jersey, while you're bashing libertarianism wh...Jersey, while you're bashing libertarianism why don't you give this some thought: Charity at the point of a gun is robbery.<br /><br />I'm a Libertarian and you can go **** yourself.Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-42640844000148891962011-06-16T19:36:58.254-06:002011-06-16T19:36:58.254-06:00Europe? Christian?Europe? Christian?Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-32924819826822918292011-06-16T16:25:00.459-06:002011-06-16T16:25:00.459-06:00"I guess, "stop letting them in," i..."I guess, "stop letting them in," is too unsophisticated for the European mind."<br /><br />And ya' know Silver? The problem is that the European mind is more sophsiticated - and more moral.<br /><br />That's why they're stuck with this. Decent people don't let people suffer when they can do something about it.<br /><br />This is why libertarianism is such a selfish, adolescent ideology. You're a conservative, not a libertarian. Conservatives are charitable people. They are perfectly consistent when they acknowedge what's happening with the refugees is problematic, as opposed to illegal immigration for money and opportunity.<br /><br />Don't blame Europe for being a moral, Christian society. <br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-13475128487127089882011-06-16T00:37:15.633-06:002011-06-16T00:37:15.633-06:00When immigrants come here and embrace those aspect...<i>When immigrants come here and embrace those aspects of our culture, they rise quickly. When they come here with the intent of changing those core ideas, they are destructive.</i><br /><br />You've described perfectly the difference between immigrants and <i>invaders</i>, Matt.<br /><br />Most Americans don't seem to realize it, but we are effectively being COLONIZED without a shot being fired. <br /><br />The immigration act of 1965 was deliberately designed by crypto-Marxists and liberal Democrats to shift the balance to non-white immigration in order to upset and eventually do away with the America of our forefathers. Whether the motivation was to achieve "justice" or simply a power grab doesn't really matter, because results are all that count.<br /><br />Maybe we deserve it, because that is how our ancestors founded this country -- they moved in on the Indians and then took over their lands. Invasion and subjugation of one kind or another -- and the long series of chain reactions these produce -- seems to be the history of humanity. But ethnic religious and cultural suicide in the name names of fairness and equality are unnatural, and I suspect the motive for perpetrating this mess have been nefarious. <b>MARXISTS are <i>DESTRUCTIONISTS</i>.</b><br /><br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-60367013818587481762011-06-15T22:01:24.922-06:002011-06-15T22:01:24.922-06:00Well said MattWell said MattSilverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-75658890408997340612011-06-15T20:53:18.666-06:002011-06-15T20:53:18.666-06:00I think we have to remember that assimilation is o...I think we have to remember that assimilation is often a two way street. Yes, people came here, and they assimilated. They learned English, and went to work. At the same time, those immigrants implanted parts of their culture and traditions into ours, even if in a modified form. Every thing from Christmas trees, to different ethnic foods (that we may no longer see as ethnic) all have made America at least more interesting, if not better. <br /><br />The real threat is to the more foundational aspects of our culture: The ideas of self reliance, and that our rights come from God, and not the state. That concept of individual freedom, private property ownership, and even self ownership are under attack. When immigrants come here and embrace those aspects of our culture, they rise quickly. When they come here with the intent of changing those core ideas, they are destructive.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18327435952188104946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-14002711991402994432011-06-15T19:01:50.249-06:002011-06-15T19:01:50.249-06:00the barbarians are inside the Gates and elected of...the barbarians are inside the Gates and elected officials!!!! happy Wednesday~!:)WomanHonorThyselfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17211851365273181636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-52388926456431498482011-06-15T18:38:40.764-06:002011-06-15T18:38:40.764-06:00A return to unabashed nativism -- the natural stat...A return to <i>unabashed nativism</i> -- the natural state of all the various human tribes -- is the only hope of preserving our unique Anglo-European culture. <br /><br />After all both Japan and Israel are avowedly <i>racist</i> states. Both are tolerated on the world's stage, and the latter is extolled for its insistence on being "The Jewish State."<br /><br />This should not mean that all the various ethnic, racial and religious elements have to hate and be at war with one another -- far from it. <br /><br />It used to be said that "travel broadens." I think that meant when exposed to various societies with radically different customs, mores, architecture, art, music, etc. we tend to grow in appreciation of the great richness and variety of ways that life is lived all over the world. <b>The preservation of that very variety could be achieved only by encouraging native populations from all corners of the globe to <i>stay put</i>.</b> <br /><br />It's great to be cordial to visitors and to learn there are more viable ways to get through life than those we learned at our mothers' knees, but it is <i>not</i> all right to be expected to commit ethnic and cultural suicide in a vain attempt to spare the feelings of others and to accommodate distinctly alien values and cultural norms.<br /><br />I might be able to move to France and learn to speak the language perfectly, but that would <i>never</i> make me a true Frenchman, just as I could never go to live in China and expect to become a Chinese.<br /><br />We are all human, but there are vast differences among us. That's what makes the world such a fascinating -- and perplexing -- place.<br /><br />The truest "Celebration of Diversity" would be achieved only by firmly remaining -- well -- <b><i>diverse</i></b>.<br /><br />Would anyone seriously want humanity transformed into one medium brown people with slanted blue eyes, woolly blond hair, hooked noses, prominent lips and flaring nostrils where all knowledge of human history was obliterated, where religion was forbidden, except for universal worship of an Almighty and Ever Living Central Power, and no language was allowed to spoken other than Esperanto?<br /><br />Please! Don't be ridiculous.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-84663891824776893462011-06-15T17:34:38.956-06:002011-06-15T17:34:38.956-06:00The fall of Rome all over again. The barbarians ar...The fall of Rome all over again. The barbarians are at the gates,Bunkervillehttp://www.Bunkerville.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-69921358565794604812011-06-15T15:24:04.083-06:002011-06-15T15:24:04.083-06:00And what a horrible man Enoch Powell was … for dar...And what a horrible man <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech" rel="nofollow">Enoch Powell</a> was … for daring to stand up in Parliament and tell the truth which no one wanted to hear. But he was right, after all, and now Britain has too many smelly fish and no one possesses the courage to do what is right and proper to maintain British culture. Europe follows suit; America is not far behind. And why is that? Because Americans no longer adore our founding principles: Come here, one and all ... but, become Americans with us, or be gone!” <br /><br />JMJ ... you are profane man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-62764873534787345092011-06-15T15:13:54.589-06:002011-06-15T15:13:54.589-06:00Oh, Jesus Christ, give it a rest. "Western C...Oh, Jesus Christ, give it a rest. "Western Christendom" isn't going anywhere. The only thing threatening Western Christendom is the ususal list of sins we perpetrate on one another. Besides, the percentage of Muslims in the Western World is still very small, and they are not powerful or wealthy. So, really. Give it a #..... rest.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-88649453105182987712011-06-15T12:08:34.461-06:002011-06-15T12:08:34.461-06:00I think you might be right Silver, that we're ...I think you might be right Silver, that we're more in agreement than I originally thought. And you're definitely right that the native persons of a culture should not be called "racists," or "nativists."<br /><br />As for the immigrants, not all of them leave their homeland under the freedom of choice, if freedom of choice is defined as a decision made uncoerced and when not under duress. The Libyans are fleeing the country for their lives, and we can hardly fault them for that.<br /><br />It's also no worse if someone comes here for a better life. Most of us are descended from immigrants who came here looking for the "streets paved with gold." We owe our very lives to them.<br /><br />But I maintain that it is folly to reject a culture entirely without first examining it. We should also widthold value judgments on cultures that do not necessarily go against the universal values of human rights.<br /><br />All cultures are flawed, and those cultures that seem to reject human rights are just that: flawed. It doesn't make our culture "better," just more evolved. Plus, some cultures that don't seem to care about human rights only give us that impression because of those who wish to infringe on those basic necessities. We can't say that Chinese culture doesn't care about human rights simply because the government rejects the idea. The people are living under the thumb of opression, and opressed peoples are often not allowed to express the finer nature of their culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-65301742735709628752011-06-15T11:37:44.829-06:002011-06-15T11:37:44.829-06:00Silverfiddle,
I bought the book when it was first ...Silverfiddle,<br />I bought the book when it was first released. Worth the money.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-28948816659593492102011-06-15T09:18:20.165-06:002011-06-15T09:18:20.165-06:00Jack, terminology aside (I indeed may not be using...Jack, terminology aside (I indeed may not be using the correct terms), I think we are in agreement...<br /><br />@Jack: <i>You're right to say that immigrants who demand we change are wrong to do so, especially since they are offended when we demand that they change.</i><br /><br />If you hate a place, why go live there? If a place conflicts with your basic values, why move there?<br /><br />An immigrant has the right, I suppose, to try to change the culture of his newly-adopted home, but the natives have the right to resist that change. <br /><br />It is inconsistent to call the immigrant's efforts legitimate, but the native's racism.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-82225117575256363052011-06-15T07:59:17.183-06:002011-06-15T07:59:17.183-06:00If culture were never subject to change, then we&#...If culture were never subject to change, then we'd still have slaves.<br /><br />I think you might be mistaking multiculturalism for the whole "melting pot," theory. Multiculturalism basically says what you're saying, that it is right to preserve one's culture. You're right to say that immigrants who demand we change are wrong to do so, especially since they are offended when we demand that they change.<br /><br />For reasons of practicality and respect, they should adapt their behaviors to those that are conducive to positive public discourse. But being polite to one's culture does not necessitate a change in culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-81950916502245734862011-06-15T07:54:36.176-06:002011-06-15T07:54:36.176-06:00I speak specifically of all news now treated as a ...I speak specifically of all news now treated as a cliffhanger to keep us tuned in.<br /><br />Also included are outrageous people of all striped given a national soapbox because it sells advertising.<br /><br />Our media is not about informing. It's about propagandizing us and entertaining us.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-22670147723900683342011-06-15T07:33:24.212-06:002011-06-15T07:33:24.212-06:00"the media that makes money playing both side..."the media that makes money playing both sides"<br /><br />I'm predominantly aware of the media inciting fear and mistrust of migrants. How do they play to the other side?jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-4552346161322849902011-06-15T06:57:30.895-06:002011-06-15T06:57:30.895-06:00AOW: Thank you for the book suggestion. I google...AOW: Thank you for the book suggestion. I googled the book and it looks like an interesting non-fiction work that reinforces what Raspail is saying in his fiction novel.<br /><br />What I find quite interesting is how Raspail wrote this almost 40 years ago but the characters are right out of today: <br /><br />The venal politicians spouting multicultural platitudes while secretly hoping the immigrants die in transit, the media that makes money playing both sides, the media-cultural elite-government cabal that conspires to propagandize the citizenry into "correct thinking" by wielding the whip of racism accusations, the immigrant activists who use these wishy-washy politicians as a lever to tip over the society they hate...Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-63642182937433009912011-06-15T06:50:01.447-06:002011-06-15T06:50:01.447-06:00Jack: It depends on who's territory you'r...Jack: It depends on who's territory you're standing on.<br /><br />We should not be inviting people here who refuse to assimilate, and instead demand that we natives all change to accommodate them. That is madness.<br /><br />By the same token, we should not be crashing around overseas trying to build nations and remake whole societies.<br /><br />People sitting in their lands, be they North Americans or Asian Pashtuns, are within their rights to protect their culture from outsiders demanding they change.<br /><br />Also, there is nothing wrong with believing in the superiority of ones culture. We've built up a pretty good life for ourselves here, and I find it laughable when someone from a third world hole gains a visa and citizenship and uses his new position to denounce us.<br /><br />It his culture is so superior, why doesn't he go back to the medieval torture chamber that spawned him?Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-64670231819517455112011-06-15T06:44:48.668-06:002011-06-15T06:44:48.668-06:00John Kenneth Press's book Culturism takes the ...John Kenneth Press's book <i>Culturism</i> takes the same position: that a culture has a right to defend itself against invading cultures.<br /><br />One cannot bring in those "barbaric" to the dominating culture of a country and expect that country to hold together.<br /><br />Multiculturalism = cultural suicide.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-19719340956883149722011-06-15T06:33:47.880-06:002011-06-15T06:33:47.880-06:00" . . . the very notion of multiculturalism g..." . . . the very notion of multiculturalism goes against human nature." Is human nature always inclined towards the good?<br /><br />I saw a logical fallacy in your thinking. At one point, you think it is noble for a people to maintain their cultural identity and resist change, and then in the next moment you deride immigrants for not assimilating. Is it good to maintain your culture and resist change or not?<br /><br />Requiring immigrants to assimilate seems to be fairly antithetical to the idea of liberty. Now, while I agree that it would be a good thing for an immigrant to at least learn the language of the country he or she has moved to, so long as the person follows the law and doesn't try to cause discomfort to anyone else, then they should be allowed to maintain whatever cutlural identity they wish.<br /><br />I don't believe that it's hateful or racist to wish to maintain your cultural identity and values, but it seems pretty close minded to not even consider the merits of another culture. It's okay to reject another culture once you've given it a thorough going-over, but anything before that point smacks of fear of the unknown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-41412423963061378322011-06-15T06:26:07.707-06:002011-06-15T06:26:07.707-06:00Nice, piece Silver. Unfortunately those who lead w...Nice, piece Silver. Unfortunately those who lead within our western life are nothing but namby pamby, touchy, feely, bleeding hearts who have not a clue of the destructive nature of their multi-culturalism.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07899335615984185508noreply@blogger.com