tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post61911765906700676..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: Free Speech in a Time of CholerSilverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-49491622811512313872012-03-22T11:41:43.825-06:002012-03-22T11:41:43.825-06:00I see that the vast majority of Ducky's news s...I see that the vast majority of Ducky's news sources are hard leftist and/or official government news agencies (mouthpieces of the ruling class).dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-47172108380194593712012-03-21T14:36:30.409-06:002012-03-21T14:36:30.409-06:00Wow, maher defending Limbaugh, the lefties must re...Wow, maher defending Limbaugh, the lefties must really be off the rails and going more insane than usual for even their elites to try talking some sense into them.MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-21526261364962079942012-03-21T03:48:01.835-06:002012-03-21T03:48:01.835-06:00viburnum: sorry, I was trying to say that the left...viburnum: sorry, I was trying to say that the left needn't really be any more aggressive than the right in order to explain your observation.jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-26934276423267197302012-03-20T10:26:44.606-06:002012-03-20T10:26:44.606-06:00jez: Well you would notice it more on the left, be...jez: Well you would notice it more on the left, because your remarks would attract aggressive replies from lefties.<br /><br /> That's my point. The response is often aggressive even when totally unwarranted. Merely expressing an opposing viewpoint is not legitimate cause for ill mannered insult and invective. Freedom of speech entails a responsibility to defend your ideas not to have them accepted with out question. If you can't defend your ideas without resorting to shouting you probably don't understand why you hold them in the first place.<br /><br /> And that holds true for both sides.viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-52434210871780389872012-03-20T08:06:18.169-06:002012-03-20T08:06:18.169-06:00"There is some of that on both sides of cours..."There is some of that on both sides of course but from what I see, far more on the left then the right."<br /><br />Well you would notice it more on the left, because your remarks would attract aggressive replies from lefties. On the other hand, a non-conservative visitor here, for example, gets more replies from the conservative shouters than from the reasonable ones, so his perception is skewed towards shouty conservatives.jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-15698541683951132952012-03-20T05:28:58.436-06:002012-03-20T05:28:58.436-06:00Wow! What a comments thread!
Some bickering, of ...Wow! What a comments thread!<br /><br />Some bickering, of course. But other comments are worthy of a policy debate.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-89853542176701467702012-03-20T03:54:38.035-06:002012-03-20T03:54:38.035-06:00Ducky: "Right wing talk has trained it's ...Ducky: "Right wing talk has trained it's listeners to react like trained seals whenever Saul Alinsky is mentioned."<br /><br /> Who's telling you this crap and why do you believe them? <br /><br /> "Now would it be possible to talk to the right about Alinsky, ....I fact he was very similar in thought to the original tea party."<br /><br /> Which would explain why his principles are known and being applied by them. <br /><br /> What's blocking rational dialog is antipathy to opposing viewpoints so that ideas are shouted down instead of debated, condemned out of hand instead of considered. There is some of that on both sides of course but from what I see, far more on the left then the right. My own perspective on the causes of that is that the 'left' is a far flimsier coalition of conflicting aims and ideas, and can't risk vibrations at the roots. Standing on bedrock is a much more comfortable position to debate from. ;-)viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-52140224190419091022012-03-20T00:33:15.164-06:002012-03-20T00:33:15.164-06:00Ducky, nobody's talking about the things you f...Ducky, nobody's talking about the things you find wonderful about Alinsky because it's not THOSE THINGS which are upsetting to so many Americans.<br />My gosh, you do know how to obfuscate, don't you. Stay on track.<br />Hitler could watercolor....don't know why you don't concentrate on that instead of killing millions of Jews, huh?<br />gad.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-50132617574766882172012-03-19T20:49:32.128-06:002012-03-19T20:49:32.128-06:00Darth Bacon, excellent! I couldn't agree more....Darth Bacon, excellent! I couldn't agree more.<br /><br />Apparently, in the minds of the Left, free speech was designed for their purpose and no one else's. And if someone does have an opposing view, they are quick to insult and spew their hate against them.<br /><br />Breitbart was a man of great intelligence, courage and strength, and as Silver pointed out still ticking off the Left even after his passing. How pathetic.Trekkie4Everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03226981394122557804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-71836828167816029912012-03-19T20:10:27.628-06:002012-03-19T20:10:27.628-06:00Broadcast: None. I like Michael Savage, but do n...Broadcast: None. I like Michael Savage, but do not rely upon him for news since he often jumps the gun and gets things wrong. His value is his observational style, angry rants, and frequent detours into food, drinks, The Bible, old stories and anything else but partisan politics.<br /><br />Podcasts: None. I don't own any pods I could play them on.<br /><br />Magazines (on-line): Economist.<br /><br />Websites: Various newsfeeds, AP, CBS, Daily Beast, HuffPo, Reason, Mises.org.<br /><br />I essentially use a triangulation method, reading different sources to figure out what's going on.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-11081826015644598482012-03-19T19:46:58.741-06:002012-03-19T19:46:58.741-06:00viburnum, there's a reason left wing talk radi...viburnum, there's a reason left wing talk radio hasn't been nearly as big as right.<br /><br />Here's something I'll throw out as an example. Right wing talk has trained it's listeners to react like trained seals whenever Saul Alinsky is mentioned.<br />Now would it be possible to talk to the right about Alinsky, his organizing style (done in conjunction with the local Catholic parish) and his distaste for the New Deal and its bureaucracy?<br />Alinsky worked with the religious, disliked big government and favored local movements. I fact he was very similar in thought to the original tea party.<br /><br />I'll just throw that out and ask if the current atmosphere allows that discussion. Just an example of the way media has conditioned us and blocked rational dialog.<br /><br />Here are my news sources<br /><br />Broadcast:<br />NPR and News Hour<br /><br />Magazines:<br />The Nation<br />The Progressive<br />New York Review of Books<br />The Economist<br /><br />Podcasts:<br />Democracy Now!<br />BBC World News<br />BBC Africa Today<br />Counterspin<br /><br />I invite others to name theirsDucky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-71225848163899932642012-03-19T18:43:56.284-06:002012-03-19T18:43:56.284-06:00Ducky is right about Michael Weineer (who calls hi...Ducky is right about Michael Weineer (who calls himself Savage for some reason). He's a real loon. I remember his rant that autism is fake and doesn't exist. That puts him on a par with Bill Maher who insists that handicapped people aren't human and should be treated like we treat animals.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-2586865066610910012012-03-19T18:24:50.281-06:002012-03-19T18:24:50.281-06:00Now I ask you, how is it possible to engage people...Now I ask you, how is it possible to engage people who believe those medicine show hawkers? Ed Schultz? Lawrence O'Donnell? Chris Matthews?<br /><br /> There's obnoxious, opinionated, butt heads on both sides and IMO they are all performing a public disservice. Cant is unconvincing, rant is not reason, and invective conveys no information whatsoever. To borrow a phase, bore me later.viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-9518516637053927062012-03-19T17:40:32.906-06:002012-03-19T17:40:32.906-06:00Ducky, please don't speak for me. I'm not...Ducky, please don't speak for me. I'm not 'in thrall' of Beck :-) I think you know that. What's sad is people have maligned him so badly that all those dots he connected between Obama and various situations were proven and the media ran from it; they just kept maligning him to protect their guy. That's a teeeny bit scary in America, where people used to want to know all sides of everything and make their own minds up. You lefties have really shut down THINKING, haven't you. <br /><br />I am IN THRALL of Andrew Breitbart...no doubt about that. The finest, most passionate patriot we had going. <br /><br />As for Rick Warren...I am not a fan; he no longer speaks for me than you do. He represents WHACKED "Evangelicals"... He's a supporter of CHRISLAM, you'd LOVE him :-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-37913348804990488342012-03-19T17:22:10.081-06:002012-03-19T17:22:10.081-06:00Well Jack, the topic here for several of the last ...Well Jack, the topic here for several of the last few articles has been Breitbart or Limbaugh.<br /><br />Now when you lionize those two fucking assholes it's a little ironic to go off and cry to momma about the left's name calling, no?<br /><br />Oh wait, I forgot, Bill Maher. That's the best these guys have. <br />Well if the difference isn't obvious here it is. Nobody really givs a damn about Maher and he's not a primary source of news for the left unlike Breitfart or Limbaugh who have a much larger megaphone.<br />We've had Freethinker mention how much he relies on Michael Savage. z is in thrall to Glenn Beck.<br /><br />Now I ask you, how is it possible to engage people who believe those medicine show hawkers? Michael Savage? Glenn Beck? Andrew Breitbart and these people have the outright gall to call left wingers uninformed? Bore me later.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-63126601242383224912012-03-19T17:12:40.990-06:002012-03-19T17:12:40.990-06:00z, look it up yourself. Warren pushed for the law...z, look it up yourself. Warren pushed for the law making homosexuality a capital crime in Uganda.<br /><br />Then when public opinion got real hot he backed off because it was bad for business.<br /><br />He was a coward pure and simple and his hate is pretty well established.<br />Now. in the tradition of the right and the likes of Andrew Breitbart we use Warren as representative of ALL evangelicals. Own it.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-60691534603695080892012-03-19T17:03:48.619-06:002012-03-19T17:03:48.619-06:00Sort of like wrasslin' on the SciFi Channel. H...Sort of like wrasslin' on the SciFi Channel. Huh?(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-33904619655834028972012-03-19T17:00:51.998-06:002012-03-19T17:00:51.998-06:00Shouldn't product labeling and advertisement s...Shouldn't product labeling and advertisement standards apply, though? <br /><br />Bill Maher claims to be a comedian, but his material is rarely if ever funny.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-30615716453973752982012-03-19T16:58:55.576-06:002012-03-19T16:58:55.576-06:00Jack: Thank you. Maybe Jersey will listen to the...Jack: Thank you. Maybe Jersey will listen to the message if its coming from you.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-49099164176859109232012-03-19T15:23:29.576-06:002012-03-19T15:23:29.576-06:00Resorting to name calling indicates 1 (or both) of...Resorting to name calling indicates 1 (or both) of 2 things:<br /><br />1. You're stumped and have run out of valuable points to add to a discussion.<br /><br />2. You believe in your ideas too much, and the mere mention of disagreement only signals to you that the opposition must be stupid, unintelligent, or whatever.<br /><br />Either way, it means you need to take a break. Chill out for a while, and come back when you're ready to dispense with the name-calling.<br /><br />If you truly think that people who don't believe as you do must be less intelligent than you, then there really is no point to even having these discussions. You've already made up your mind, and your only 2 goals are to either comiserate with like-minded individuals, or convince the "idiots" that they're wrong.<br /><br />Neither of those involve listening or self-examination. Once you've stopped practicing those two things, then you might as well already be dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-44713840080882191792012-03-19T15:01:34.285-06:002012-03-19T15:01:34.285-06:00Ducky, by the way...re the Homosexuality in Uganda...Ducky, by the way...re the Homosexuality in Uganda situation you said to me "If you can't read I can't help you" (ironic, considering you never seem to read the posts before you comment, isn't it)...please take note that the article I can't read includes that Mr Rick Warren (no hero of mine at all, by the way, especially for "Purpose Drivel Life") has "... recently condemned the anti-homosexuality bill, seeking to correct (what he'd said earlier)"<br /> <br />He'd compared homosexuality to pedophilia in the past... Gee, maybe that thinking might have impressed upon some of the (millions of) new Christians in Uganda enough to have kept them from dying of AIDS. That's something I care deeply about. re pedophilia, I'm sure you know that many Africans practice having sex with practically newborn babies because they think that will keep them from getting or cure them from AIDS.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-63634230032762103242012-03-19T14:50:40.829-06:002012-03-19T14:50:40.829-06:00The trash can does function; I found that you have...The trash can does function; I found that you have to enlarge the screen.<br /><br />Ducky...please show where any Republican's race baited.<br />I won't be responding to the rest of your hatred; I'd written here quite a lot and then remembered this extreme hate is your illness, not mine. Good luck with that.<br />Your commentary deserves a long and detailed response which would be easy...but not worthwhile.<br /><br />Congress is cowardly when you don't agree. Your hubris is breathtaking.<br /><br />You're right, I should have left my more mean spirited comments to you; I didn't want to hurt you. I see that we have different life rules.<br />all the best.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-15214667162519904882012-03-19T14:27:42.239-06:002012-03-19T14:27:42.239-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-58384315902561318992012-03-19T13:35:35.499-06:002012-03-19T13:35:35.499-06:00In fact the whole idea of praying for Breitbart...In fact the whole idea of praying for Breitbart's loved ones makes me a little curious.<br /><br />People like Breitbart and his cabana boy O'keefe, Neil Boortz, Freethinker favorite Michael Savage and other right wing icons who have made careers of race baiting get the prayers and you don't call for prayers for the family and friends of Trayvon Martin? Who?<br /><br />Just collateral damage in this stinking hate war that right wing haters have developed.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-68949827833378223332012-03-19T12:58:23.042-06:002012-03-19T12:58:23.042-06:00True, the trash can doesn't function.
Be as m...True, the trash can doesn't function.<br /><br />Be as mean spirited as you like, z.<br /><br />Fact is that when a large group of people point to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Andrew Breitbart as stalwart sources of sound reportage they should consider the point.<br /><br />Limbaugh and Breitbart make you ignorant. Strutting as if you're proud of that ignorance is sad.<br /><br />The fact that Congress acted like a bunch of cowards is news? Come up for air once in a while, z.<br /><br />My thesis is that government is monolithic. This D vs. R thing is strictly Kabuki for the fools. The fact that Congress ran from controversy is hardly new.<br /><br />But Breitfart did a service. The fringe right decided to extend the attack to planned parenthood. Now you've taken it out of the province of the poor, whom everyone shits on and tried to take on middle class moderates.<br />You got your teeth kicked in.<br /><br />And that's all a cheap puke like Breitbart can do is hit soft defenseless targets. And you praise him for that?Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.com