tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post9041762778401031845..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: Natural Rights and our ConstitutionSilverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-65559619096392658192012-02-16T06:00:47.786-07:002012-02-16T06:00:47.786-07:00I always enjoy your comments, AOW. And I appreciat...I always enjoy your comments, AOW. And I appreciate your cordial acknowledgement of mine, even when we occasionally disagree.<br /><br />~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-84560650202423389942012-02-15T14:01:29.947-07:002012-02-15T14:01:29.947-07:00FT,
Dr. P, that wonderful professor that I had, wa...FT,<br />Dr. P, that wonderful professor that I had, was "one in a million" with regard to the balance that she achieved in her courses. I probably should have mentioned that in my earlier comments here at this thread.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-84547334043035427222012-02-15T08:09:34.727-07:002012-02-15T08:09:34.727-07:00"It's not that the Marxists have been tea...<i>"It's not that the Marxists have been teaching in our schools.<br /><br />Rather, it is that the Marxists have been teaching in our universities <b>WITH IMPUNITY AND NO COUNTERPOINT</b> -- and with <b>TENURE."</b></i><br /><br />EXACTLY, AOW!<br /><br />I, myself, am very interested in HOW and WHY that particular atrocity came to be. There are REASONS for it, and people who SHOULD have been held RESPONSIBLE for it who've never been called to account for their misdeeds. <br /><br />A person such as Saul Alinsky for instance, should have been taken out of circulation as soon as his evil nature and destructive ideas became apparent. <br /><br />Would I have any trouble making the decision to render figure with Alinsky's rotten characteristics powerless, if I could?<br /><br />NOPE! <br /><br />I like to head Trouble off at the pass and neutralize it before it becomes a BIG problem.<br /><br />Of course, at his point Finntann -- a good fellow, indeed, but one who, apparently, thinks one can and should accomplish one's goals strictly "by the book" -- would probably like to be in a position to neutralize ME just to prove his point about reciprocal condemnation and punishment, but he'll have to continue to resort to his peculiar brand of logic and his personal attempts to shame or humiliate me instead -- and I ain't backin' down.<br /><br />But Finntann needn't worry. As soon as the Communists -- or whatever they choose to call themselves these days -- take over COMPLETELY, it is folks like you, AOW, and me who will be hunted down and "neutralized" right quick.<br /><br />It is the LEFT who shows itself to be intolerant of opposition and viciously punitive and condemnatory to those who dare resist its blandishments publicly.<br /><br />Conservatives of the Old School may very well condemn themselves to a DEATH of one kind or another by their magnanimous, naive, overly tolerant, blandly optimistic nature. Their love of stability and amicability and their desire to avoid confrontation will probably spell our downfall.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-88353203646358211722012-02-15T07:48:56.001-07:002012-02-15T07:48:56.001-07:00Your history professor, AOW, was not "liberal...Your history professor, AOW, was not "liberal" the way most "liberals" are today. I frankly think she was laudable assuming she was as fair-minded as you say she was.<br /><br />The "Draconian" approach you describe, whether it comes from the liberal or the conservative perspective is reprehensible, because it is fundamentally DISHONEST.<br /><br />I maintained a lifelong relationship with one of my favorite teachers in high school. Long after graduation she came out of the closet and revealed herself to be a card-carrying Communist (Yes, LITERALLY that!). We had considerable affection for one another, but as she grew older, she tried harder and harder to persuade me to accept her Communist views. The relationship became burdensome. I was forced either to play the hypocrite or to assume a confrontational stance. I was comfortable with neither.<br /><br />But, I have to say that <b>while she taught high school in my very conservative, white, upper-middle-class suburb, she never revealed her Communist sympathies</b>, although I do remember her saying to me once privately that she could not support President Eisenhower as long as Mr. Dulles continued to be Secretary of State. She deplored out then-policy called "brinkmanship."<br /><br />All that aside the woman was probably THE most dynamic, committed, pedagogue I ever encountered, and her devotion to excellence was highly commendable. Her command of her subject was brilliant -- <i>electrifying</i> even.<br /><br />Why so many tremendously gifted, highly creative people embrace the left I've never been able to comprehend. Most of them are idealists, I suppose, and spend lots of energy trying to transcend the mundane. Also, they see far beyond the obvious and far beneath the surface, but this may make them too eager to believe that one can find a way to make sure that "fire will not burn you," and "water will not make you wet," as Kipling put it.<br /><br />So, while I would, indeed, muzzle open advocacy of Marxism and all its hideous derivatives, just as I would frown upon advocacy of theft, blackmail, vandalism, "recreational" drug use, incest, sex between adults and children, and sedition, etc., I am perfectly capable of feeling great affection for and personal loyalty towards certain individuals whose opinions violently conflict with my own.<br /><br />I just HATE troublemakers, rabble-rousers, "consciouness-raisers" and "activists" who beat the drum for causes deleterious to peace and good order. Life is troublesome and demanding enough without adding artificially stimulated "crises" into the mix.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-74772676507450544002012-02-15T05:11:14.984-07:002012-02-15T05:11:14.984-07:00BTW, the best history professor I had was a libera...BTW, the best history professor I had was a liberal professor who taught American History.<br /><br />She really knew her material.<br /><br />She offered her "editorials," then turned to me and said, "I know that you disagree, Miss M. Tell us your view on this."<br /><br />Never did she allow another student snort at or ridicule opposing views. Discussions had to be reasoned and include evidence.<br /><br />Never did she let anyone's contrary views impact their course grades.<br /><br />I had other liberal professors, too, but they were not as even handed as Dr. P, my liberal history professor.<br /><br />In fact, I had one conservative history professor who was Draconian and found ways to give bad grades to any students with opposing views.<br /><br />I did have many professors whose political views were not apparent. They stuck to the course material.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-59525182265142185052012-02-15T04:58:16.370-07:002012-02-15T04:58:16.370-07:00It's not that the Marxists have been teaching ...It's not that the Marxists have been teaching in our schools.<br /><br />Rather, it is that the Marxists have been teaching in our universities <b>WITH IMPUNITY AND NO COUNTERPOINT</b> -- and <b>WITH TENURE</b>.<br /><br />Back when I was in college (1968-1972), we had two Marxist professors on our campus -- two whom I personally knew, that is.<br /><br />One taught math, the other taught philosophy.<br /><br />The philosophy teacher's classes languished because there were other courses one could take. The math teacher got fired for not teaching; instead, he was pontificating or not even showing up to teach.<br /><br />Neither had tenure.<br /><br />Today, the situation on many campus is this: a student cannot avoid taking courses filled with Marxist spoutings. Sometimes, the entire department offering required courses (English, for example) is filled with nothing but Marxist professors.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-59353771973933146102012-02-15T04:52:17.385-07:002012-02-15T04:52:17.385-07:00FT,
I'm glad you posted your comment here. I&...FT,<br />I'm glad you posted your comment here. I'll leave my response as well.<br /><br /><i>This "Contraception" business in truth has NOTHING to do with obeying or disobeying "God's Law." It has nothing to do with RELIGION per se at ALL.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure that I agree with that portion of your comment. I know of and personally know a lot of people who feel to the contrary.<br /><br />I'm not one of those people who cry out, "Overturn Roe v. Wade!" I, of course, have my own personal convictions regarding abortion. That said, Roe v. Wade, in and of itself, doesn't FORCE a woman or a girl to undergo abortion. The abortion is a choice -- legally, anyway.<br /><br /><b>BUT</b><br /><br />I know a lot of people who claim to stand on God's Word as their basis for their pro-life stance. These people are sincere in their belief, IMO.<br /><br />Are these same people, particularly those who are not particularly political, willing to stand up and be counted -- to be Daniels -- when the financial consequences have the potential to be great? How strong is the pro-lifers' commitment, after all?<br /><br />You made my other point better than I did:<br /><br /><i><b>If Obama & CO are allowed to get away with THIS, you will soon see businesses of ALL kinds "required" to GIVE AWAY their goods and services to "those in need."</b></i><br /><br />Redistribution -- in the name of social "justice."<br /><br /><i>This will make private insurance less affordable than ever, thus bolstering the Tyrannist's case for a "Single Payer" system...</i><br /><br />Isn't that the real goal of ObamaCare?<br /><br />People need to raise an outcry on one or both levels:<br /><br />(1) the faith-based one<br /><br />(2) the Constitutional one<br /><br />It's now or never! <br /><br />end of copy and paste -----<br /><br />It seems to me that those on the Right (religious or otherwise) suffer from a lack of commitment.<br /><br />The Left, on the other hand, does <b>NOT</b> suffer from a lack of commitment.<br /><br />Has it ever been thus?Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-9961749764042837902012-02-15T04:43:07.756-07:002012-02-15T04:43:07.756-07:00You can't have it both ways. EIther you are a ...You can't have it both ways. EIther you are a fanatical ANTI-COMMUNIST, or you are part of THEIR war machine against Christianity, against Capitalism, against the ownership and enjoyment of Private Property, against Profit, against the accumulation of Personal Wealth, and against Freedom of Choice, Freedom of Assembly and Freedom of Speech.<br /><br />And yes, Finntann, it IS necessary to put limits on Free Speech in order to protect it. THAT is the PARADOX with which a free people must live -- or they won't be "free" for long.<br /><br />Disbelieve that at your peril.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-84988087705802267082012-02-15T04:37:48.761-07:002012-02-15T04:37:48.761-07:00I just left the following at AOW's blog in ref...I just left the following at AOW's blog in reference to the "Contraception" issue. I bring it here, because I think it's germane to this discussion as well.<br /><br />|<br />|<br />|<br />|<br />|<br /><br />This "Contraception" business in truth has NOTHING to do with obeying or disobeying "God's Law." It has nothing to do with RELIGION per se at ALL. <br /><br />The Tyrannists (Obummer is just a Figurehead, believe me) are using Leftist Thinking and Leftist "Revolutionary" tactics to bring about yet another Great Leap Forward in achieving total control through CENTRALIZED POWER. <br /><br />Don't you realize that by FORCING private insurance companies to GIVE AWAY products readily obtained at your local pharmacy or through your private physician, insurance rates will have to RISE in direct proportion. In other words the cost will be passed on to YOU and ME. This will make private insurance less affordable than ever, thus bolstering the Tyrannist's case for a "Single Payer" system -- i.e. Euro-Canadian-style Socialized Medicine.<br /><br />Like everything else the Left does it's ALL about wresting Power and Control away from the private sector and OUT of the hands of the Individual.<br /><br />"Religion," always a hyper-emotional issue best left alone, has been USED as WEDGE to split the people away from their liberty.<br /><br />Leftists do not represent "just another point of view." Leftists are The ENEMIES of FREEDOM.<br /><br />DON'T fall for their insidious tactics. VOTE THEM OUT. And if that fails to work, ROUST them out by MAIN FORCE..<br /><br /><i><b>"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed [every now and then] by the blood of patriots and tyrants."</b></i><br /><br />~ Thomas Jefferson<br /><br />If Obama & CO are allowed to get away with THIS, you will soon see businesses of ALL kinds "required" to GIVE AWAY their goods and services to "those in need."<br /><br />That, my friends, is COMMUNISM. Communism brought about by STEALTH through the relentless dissemination of insidious propaganda disguised as "Truth.". This new rise of Communism -- if left unchecked -- will have to be destroyed by VIOLENCE. The alternative is acquiescence to existence as a virtual galley slave on a state-run Trireme.<br /><br />There is nothing "academic" about this crisis. It's not "theoretical" or "rhetorical" it is ACTUAL. We are being slowly-but-surely THROTTLED to DEATH by insidious, relentless machinations of the LEFT -- many of whom now call themselves "Neo-Conservatives."<br /><br />Younger generations, now middle-aged, have been thoroughly DUPED to the point where, even though they may THINK they re "conservative," their indoctrinated views have in truth rendered them virtua PAWNS of the LEFT.<br /><br />And they now have it firmly fixed in The Public Mind that figures such as Joe McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover, and <i>RICHARD NIXON</i> were evil!<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-19001533214938834832012-02-15T04:28:22.985-07:002012-02-15T04:28:22.985-07:00"I may emmigrate afterwards."
The probl...<i>"I may emmigrate afterwards."</i><br /><br />The problem is, Fintann, that you will have nowhere to go, unless you can find a way to claim and colonize an asteroid in Outer Space. <br /><br />The USA was The Last Frontier.<br /><br />And haven't you ever noticed that existence is loaded with paradoxes -- that Life, itself, is a paradox? <br /><br />Freedom is not free, and the defense of Liberty always has been and always will be a mighty task.<br /><br /><b><i>"Those who expect to reap the blessing of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."</i></b><br /><br />~ Thomas Paine (1737-1809)<br /><br />Elements diametrically opposed to freedom must NOT be left free to do their worst.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-66027952897480410282012-02-14T20:50:45.083-07:002012-02-14T20:50:45.083-07:00You're entitled to your opinion, Fintann, but ...You're entitled to your opinion, Fintann, but I think it is YOU who are wrong. Let's leave it at that, since neither of us is likely ever to budge.<br /><br />Your thinking is legalistic. Mine is moralistic. <br /><br />You appear not so much to be a libertarian, but an advocate of utter licentiousness. One more proof that younger generations have lost touch with the standards of decency and propriety that were taken for granted in my formative years.<br /><br />You're theoretical willingness to submit to Ducky's brand of thinking should he be able to persuade the majority to go along with him appalls me. There is a difference between right and wrong -- and it cannot be determined by "Popular Opinion." It is absolute.<br /><br />Communism in all its many guises is WRONG just as murder is wrong, and should be given NO quarter. PERIOD.<br /><br />Sorry to have irritated you, but I'm afraid the feeling is mutual.<br /><br />I hope you enjoy what's left of Valentine's Day. <br /><br />Cheerio! <br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-56546451538900363612012-02-14T17:27:10.276-07:002012-02-14T17:27:10.276-07:00"What you seem to advocate, Finntann, is to m..."What you seem to advocate, Finntann, is to me the moral equivalent of not only permitting, but encouraging Catholic Priests to advocate Adultery, Sexual Promiscuity, Homosexuality, Theft, Deceit, Justifiable Homicide and Incest from the PULPIT."<br /><br />Look out FT, I think you missed a turn somewhere. How in God's name did you get there?<br /><br />The only thing I ever advocated was the moral equivalent of the only people who should be encouraging Catholic Priests being Catholic Bishops, certainly not the government, and certainly not you.<br /><br />You Sir, are simply a statist of a different flavor.<br /><br />Okay FT... who gets to administer your political purity test? You? The John Birchers? Some bipartisan congressional subcommittee?<br /><br />McCarthy was not only wrong he was an ass, you can not punish people for their thoughts, you can not punish people for their advocacy or adherence to any particular philosophy. What you advocate is thought crime.<br /><br />The CONSTITUTION certainly isn't a suicide pact, but you are sure trying to make it one. The constitution is a social compact, a set of rules we all agree (or did at one time) to play by.<br /><br />So, what if the majority decides that you are the one that is wrong? Are you no longer entitled to your beliefs or the right to voice them?<br /><br />I do believe if it were 1776 you would be a TORY.<br /><br />If the Church of the Big Round Butt wants to advocate gay anal sex in a bacchanalia festival while toking on a joint and worshiping Allah and the Flying Spaghetti Monster and you don't like it... TOUGH SHIT! Or are you one of those who has a 'right' not to be offended? Hmm... where have I heard that before?<br /><br />I'll defend to the death Ducky's right to turn this country into a communist hell hole if he can manage to do it constitutionally by persuading the majority of American's that he's right. I may disagree with him on most points, but he is certainly entitled to preach his gospel all he wants, although I may emmigrate afterwards.<br /><br />Your version of constitutional preservation is the equivalent of the Doctor saying "I'm sorry, you have brain cancer, we're going to have to amputate your head to keep if from spreading".<br /><br />The line was drawn, it's the constitution. If Ducky can get two thirds of the state to call for a convention and three fourths of the states to ratify the new communist manifesto, so be it. If he wants to do it by executive fiat and regulation, I'll fight him every step of the way.<br /><br />As I will also defend your right to advocate destroying the constitution in order to preserve it. I won't support you, but I won't silence you unless you cross the line already defined: <br /><br />"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."<br /><br />McCarthy was wrong<br />The Sedition Act of 1918 was wrong<br />Interring Japanese-Americans was wrong<br />The Know-Nothings were wrong<br />The Alien and Sedition Act of 1798 was wrong<br /><br />And you Sir are wrong.Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-60095529609672009302012-02-14T15:07:51.739-07:002012-02-14T15:07:51.739-07:00When the simple truth is unflattering to designate...When the simple truth is unflattering to designated "victim" groups, the truth is called "racism."<br /><br />That white men in the aggregate happened to have achieved a great deal more of high quality, complexity and refinement than the majority of other identifiable ethnic groups doesn't mean they did to demonstrate their "hatred" of people of color -- OR -- to try to "show them up."<br /><br />Most of the time things just are what they are, and it's nobody's "fault."<br /><br />Bullying people is wrong. <br /><br />Harassing people is wrong. <br /><br />Persecuting people is wrong. <br /><br />Enslaving people is wrong. <br /><br />Taking unfair advantage of people is wrong.<br /><br /><b>Simply BEING superior and achieving a great deal more than others is NOT wrong.</b><br /><br />That's all there is to it.<br /><br />End of story.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-17721297355175712062012-02-14T11:53:22.541-07:002012-02-14T11:53:22.541-07:00What "claptrap" would that be, Gene? Th...What "claptrap" would that be, Gene? The Bell Curve? One man's " mismeasure" is another man's ability to do complex mathematics.Speedy Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01640242783952822072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-91428536659355986412012-02-14T09:21:31.154-07:002012-02-14T09:21:31.154-07:00I'm not defending Murray's work, merely de...I'm not defending Murray's work, merely defending him from charges of racism.<br /><br />This was a diversionary stink bomb thrown by Ducky.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-10600941856420955812012-02-14T08:49:27.556-07:002012-02-14T08:49:27.556-07:00Anyone advocating Charles Murray should simply rea...Anyone advocating Charles Murray should simply read the updated 1996 2nd edition of <i>The Mismeasure of Man</i> by Stephen Jay Gould. He soundly and cogently defeats all of Murray and Hernstein's claptrap.Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-69015211793904253192012-02-14T08:18:24.070-07:002012-02-14T08:18:24.070-07:00Ducky:
Oh, my mistake. When you wrote this I int...Ducky:<br /><br />Oh, my mistake. When you wrote this I interpreted it to mean you were saying it was settled...<br /><br /><i>IT'S SETTLED LAW. What are you going to do other than vote for Ron Paul? Do you really think the political will is there to tear out entitlements?<br /><br />[...]<br /><br />Once again. IT'S SETTLED LAW. Doesn't need your approval. Doesn't need mine.</i><br /><br />Don't know how I could have mistaken that to mean you were saying it's SETTLED LAW.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-6653665652450613482012-02-14T08:11:05.099-07:002012-02-14T08:11:05.099-07:00You're unhinged. It's not settled.
------...You're unhinged. It's not settled.<br /><br />------<br /><br />But that is exactly what I wrote.<br /><br />True, it absolutely is not settled.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-24271127613295448912012-02-14T07:44:00.878-07:002012-02-14T07:44:00.878-07:00I can only repeat:
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The U.S. CONSTITUTIO...I can only repeat:<br /><br />|<br />|<br />|<br />|<br />|<br /><b>The U.S. CONSTITUTION IS NOT A SUICIDE PACT</b>.<br />|<br />|<br />|<br />|<br />|<br /><br /><b>What you seem to advocate, Finntann, is to me the moral equivalent of not only permitting, but <i>encouraging</i> Catholic Priests to advocate Adultery, Sexual Promiscuity, Homosexuality, Theft, Deceit, Justifiable Homicide and Incest from the PULPIT.</b><br /><br />I know there actually are Catholic priests -- and clergymen from other Christian denominations -- who do just that. The Church -- and the world she is purportedly attempting to save -- are much the poorer for it.<br /><br />How would you like it if it became "fashionable" for parents so disposed to condition their tiny tots to enjoy the pleasures of incestuous, child-adult relationships?<br /><br />There is a huge difference between openly DISCUSSING sin and openly ADVOCATING it. The latter is perverse, degenerate -- and as we have seen from the condition of society today -- deadly dangerous.<br /><br />Just as we have never (to my knowledge) tried to make a case for justifying MURDER, so ought we never encourage the advocacy of ideas inimical to the health and strength of our republic.<br /><br />We discussed Communism and Socialism ALL THE TIME when I was in grade school and high school, but the thrust of every discussion was vehemently ANTI- MARXIST. So was every discussion about "recreational drug use." It was always condemned and categorized in no uncertain terms as destructive to health and human happiness.<br /><br />Once the Marxists among us effectively <i>sued</i> their way to pseudo-respectability thanks to the assumption of Draconian, unconstitutional powers by an Imperial Supreme Court, the nation started to plummet downhill at ever increasing speed.<br /><br />Mccarthy may have been crude and clumsy, but he also happened to be RIGHT. The view you -- and most others -- now take of McCarthy -- and Richard Nixon to for that matter -- is proof of the enormous success of Cultural Marxism's pernicious influence on American society. It has been a tragedy for Civilization.<br /><br />A line must be drawn SOMEWHERE if we are to preserve any hope of ever reclaiming society from its rocket ride to Perdition.<br /><br />It's characteristic of the Devil is that he is at his most dangerous when he appears charming, attractive, beguiling and SEDUCTIVE.<br /><br />Truly smart people remain steadfast in their determination never to dance with the Devil and never to invite him into their homes.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-20339537611500817142012-02-14T06:33:00.719-07:002012-02-14T06:33:00.719-07:00We should never have permitted Marxists to teach i...We should never have permitted Marxists to teach in our universities. We should never have permitted Communists, Socialists, Collectivists, etc. access to the levers of power, or permitted them to build platforms on which they preached their vile subversive doctrines. <br /><br />So if I rewrite it as:<br /><br />We should never have permitted Republicans to teach in our universities. We should never have permitted Conservatives, Libertarians, Independents, etc. access to the levers of power, or permitted them to build platforms on which they preached their vile subversive doctrines.<br /><br />It is just a valid an argument as yours.<br /><br />That's why that type of behavior is expressely forbidden and contrary viewpoints tolerated if not embraced. You are imposing your value judgement on them, trying to impose your views on them. It is as bad as what they are doing.<br /><br />"there is NOTHING we can do, AOW, other than humbly accept our fate, and meekly suffer the destruction of all we hold dear."<br /><br />Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I said it wasn't treason, I didn't say it wasn't wrong. I didn't say you couldn't or shouldn't try to do anything about it. You cry rape when someone steals your wallet, and when the cops find no evidence of rape and lets them go, you're pissed. Yeah, makes a lot of sense.<br /><br />How about we focus on those aspects of the constitution actually violated instead of hysterical trumped up charges.<br /><br />How about we focus on the abuse of executive power, on executive regulations holding the force of law by fiat without the consent of congress, of the violation of enumerated powers, of the trampling on the power of the states.<br /><br />The problem is the executive exceeding its authority and the congress and states consenting through inaction, incompentancy, or just plain laziness. The problem is courts making law versus interpreting law. The problem is the two houses working contrary to each other and their established purpose.<br /><br />McCarthyism is not the answer, political purity tests are not the answer, extremism is not the answer, they are the antithesis of everything we stand for.<br /><br />Honestly, if you can get 2/3rds of the states to call a Constitutional convention and 3/4's to ratify the changes you can trash the whole damn document within the legal framework established, i.e. it is CONSTITUTIONAL. That's why folks like Mike Church who advocate throwing the baby out with the bathwater via Article solutions scare the crap out of me.<br /><br />Cheers!Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-7757962167467553742012-02-14T05:34:22.316-07:002012-02-14T05:34:22.316-07:00Ducky: And you can scream the tired old chant of ...Ducky: And you can scream the tired old chant of "rabies radio" all you want. I provided what I thought was a well thought out piece, and you insult me by insinuating I got this from the radio.<br /><br />You have no coherent strategy, just bile and shit slinging, so cram your insults where the sun don't shine.<br /><br />I presented you a cogent argument, and you won't even refute it or argue with it on its merits or mooted points.<br /><br />And I know what settled law is, I was asking which law it is that you consider settled, since you screamed it in ALL CAPS. <br /><br />But at least you answered your own question:<br /><br /><i>Obamacare might be a different story since it does not have clear precedent.</i><br /><br />You're unhinged. It's not settled.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-83678745172776856642012-02-14T05:30:16.379-07:002012-02-14T05:30:16.379-07:00Ducky, Off-topic again... I was not defending the...Ducky, Off-topic again... I was not defending the thesis of The Bell Curve, merely pointing out that is was not racist. Another lefty tropeSilverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-23290400047168782282012-02-14T05:17:57.486-07:002012-02-14T05:17:57.486-07:00FT,
AND what many of us are decrying now has been ...FT,<br /><b>AND</b> what many of us are decrying now has been a long time coming.<br /><br />Alarm bells were indeed sounded all along -- even going back to TR.<br /><br />But the majority of Americans ignored those alarm bells. "It'll turn out okay" -- the typical American response. American optimism does have a flaw in that regard.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-24663397851109180982012-02-14T05:13:51.632-07:002012-02-14T05:13:51.632-07:00FT,
Apparently, if we accept Finntann's unders...FT,<br /><i>Apparently, if we accept Finntann's understanding of what the Constitution, itself, defines as "treason," there is NOTHING we can do, AOW, other than humbly accept our fate, and meekly suffer the destruction of all we hold dear. </i><br /><br />So, it's over, then. For the republic, I mean.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-89699932114730874652012-02-14T04:30:41.159-07:002012-02-14T04:30:41.159-07:00"So, what are we going to DO about Obama'...<i>"So, what are we going to <b>DO</b> about Obama's shredding our Constitution and imposing Draconian measures upon us?<br /><br />What <b>CAN</b> we do?"</i><br /><br />Apparently, if we accept Finntann's understanding of what the Constitution, itself, defines as "treason," there is NOTHING we can do, AOW, other than humbly accept our fate, and meekly suffer the destruction of all we hold dear. <br /><br />Too many Conservatives seem to think that Reason alone and a strict, literal adherence to Law ought to be enough to see us through. <br /><br />NONE of the "War Presidents" or the "Social Activist Presidents" thought so. The war presidents took measures to stifle and punish adverse criticism -- virtually suspending <i>habeas corpus</i> and first amendment rights and -- in some cases <i>property</i> rights -- in the process. <br /><br />ALL of them were permitted to get away with it. <br /><br />From TR onward Progressive presidents and arrogant judges have been blithely ignoring or stomping all over the Constitution "for the Greater Good" -- and GETTING AWAY with it.<br /><br />There has been so much precedent for permitting truly outrageous, unconstitutional conduct on the part of our leaders that it's no wonder that Barack Obama -- and more likely the shadowy, ultra-powerful Oligarchic Figures Behind the Throne who placed him in power to advance THEIR agenda -- feels confident that he can do whatever he -- or his puppet masters -- want with impunity.<br /><br />I have to laugh. The country made a stinking fuss over Richard Nixon's feeble attempts to protect the men who were simply working to protect the president's interests against the machinations of the Democratic Party Machine, and successfully labelled Nixon "One of the Worst Criminals Ever to Reach High Office," but few-if-any have ever begun to realize, acknowledge, condemn the incalculable harm the "War Presidents" and the "Progressives," and even fewer have ever considered holding them accountable for their egregious misdeeds.<br /><br />And what does John Q. Publick do? <br /><br />He SHRUGS!<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com