tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post1048325150946940259..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: America's Last StandSilverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-53995097311752245222011-10-21T16:48:01.698-06:002011-10-21T16:48:01.698-06:00I just spend several months in that hell hole. Th...I just spend several months in that hell hole. This much I'll <br /><br />1. Only Africa can fix Africa<br />2. Don't believe anything the media tells you about Africa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-19090000685120208452011-10-20T13:53:52.236-06:002011-10-20T13:53:52.236-06:00although ecc I believe those intentions were only ...although ecc I believe those intentions were only good for Obama and his puppet master.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02173702830006208833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-22575848150761666762011-10-20T13:41:03.102-06:002011-10-20T13:41:03.102-06:00I meant road to hell not rode to hellI meant road to hell not rode to hellLisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02173702830006208833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-34079117083743147392011-10-20T12:49:19.345-06:002011-10-20T12:49:19.345-06:00@Lisa,
Oh, I got one to add to that!
Good intent...@Lisa,<br /><br />Oh, I got one to add to that!<br /><br />Good intentions=111th Democrat-controlled Congress under Barack Obama who spent more money than all the previous Congresses combined!<br /><br />"Just shut up and let us do what we know is best for you, you filthy peasants!"<br /><br />Sorry, Silver...I now this is off-topic, but I couldn't resist. Lisa made a good point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-21749948132862830692011-10-20T11:18:54.156-06:002011-10-20T11:18:54.156-06:00Ducky Said:
"Hitler came to power primarily ...Ducky Said:<br /><br />"Hitler came to power primarily on a platform of Nationalism."<br /><br />Oh look at that Ducky says Hitler was well meaning. The end result is moot because the intentions were good.<br /><br />Just remember the rode to hell is paved with good intentions.<br /><br />Synonym for "good intentions" is -"Give me more Power"<br /><br />But what really you end up with is an antonym .Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02173702830006208833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-75504548612241414562011-10-20T07:38:01.780-06:002011-10-20T07:38:01.780-06:00" Human history is little but the results of ...<i>" Human history is little but the results of ideas."</i><br /><br />YUP! And that's why it well behooves us to focus the on positive aspects of life on earth and work to discover new processes that might benefit all of us.<br /><br />Arguing for the sake of argument is a waste of precious time. Over-intellectualization of concepts well known and well established leads to analysis paralysis. Games of one upsmanship are pernicious.<br /><br />Have a nice day.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-59724578764938077552011-10-20T06:47:08.287-06:002011-10-20T06:47:08.287-06:00It's because people don't want to quibble ...It's because people don't want to quibble over "academic minutae," that this country is full of idiots who think that the Nazis were not Socialists.<br /><br />FT, the definitions you gave of totalitarianism are extremely watered down and vague, and don't even come close to describing what totalitarianism actually is. <br /><br />Totalitarianism might have characteristics that are authoritarian, but then again a republic has characteristics that are democratic. A democracy has some characteristics that are republican. Is a Republic the same as a Democracy? Of course not.<br /><br />A government does not need a dictator or an autocrat to be authoritarian.<br /><br />Sure, GWB shared some similarities with Hitler. But don't we lambaste liberals who accused GWB of being like Hitler? Of course we do, because although there are similarities, that doesn't mean that one equates to the other.<br /><br />Also, the results of an authoritarian society and a totalitarian one are NOT entirely the same. You can say "oh well they both control the people," but that's just scratching the surface.<br /><br />Ideas ARE important, despite the fact that some people try to make it seem like the only thing that matters is tangible results. Human history is little but the results of ideas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-24307763679733883172011-10-20T05:38:38.735-06:002011-10-20T05:38:38.735-06:00Who know what Ducky believes?
He spews fatuous ...Who know what Ducky believes? <br /><br />He spews fatuous rhetoric, but brings no substance. He's a dyspeptic, discreditable mewler.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-3505269820341605882011-10-19T22:11:14.378-06:002011-10-19T22:11:14.378-06:00Yes FT, all Totalitarian States are Authoritarian,...Yes FT, all Totalitarian States are Authoritarian, but not all Authoritarian states are Totalitarian.<br /><br />A Democracy can be Authoritarian but not Totalitarian.<br /><br />Socialist Democracies are socialist but neither Authoritarian nor Totalitarian.<br /><br />The distinction between "Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fabianism, Progressivism, Liberalism, Fascism, Despotism, or Zanzibarbarianism." is not mere mincing of words but intellectual precision. The end results may often have been the same but there are clear distinctions to be made between them.<br /><br />Ducky's concept of socialism seems to be some kind of idyllic marxist workers paradise, thus apparently making him unable to make the distinction between left wing socialism and right wing socialism. (Ducky, please clarify your position if you feel I am way off base).<br /><br />He sees socialism as a postive thing and the stigma of Nazi history precludes him from recognizing that while the German's weren't marxists, they definitely embraced many aspects of socialism, and even self-identified as such.<br /><br />I can readily accede to Ducky that their are many positive aspects of socialism, the difference lies in that he believes it sustainable over the long term, whereas I don't.<br /><br />Cheers!Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-31425583740658600882011-10-19T21:58:24.397-06:002011-10-19T21:58:24.397-06:00Stripping off the nationalistic/racial overtones o...Stripping off the nationalistic/racial overtones of the 25-point program of the Nationa Socialist German Workers Party you are left with:<br /><br />7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens.<br /><br />10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:<br /><br />11.Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.<br /><br />12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.<br /><br />13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).<br /><br />14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.<br /><br />15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.<br /><br />16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.<br /><br />17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.<br /><br />20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.<br /><br />21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.<br /><br />So, are any of these points a far cry from what is being said at any Occupy# protest?<br /><br />And no Jersey, no one is calling them Brownshirts.<br /><br />Just saying the Progressive-Socialist left isn't really that far left and has many features of Corporatism (GM, Solyndra, et. al) and Syndicalism (the Gov't overriding contract and law and elevating the UAW above other debt holders in the defunct GM).<br /><br />A number of historians regard fascism as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, a doctrine which mixes philosophies of left and right.<br /><br />Mussolini promoted ambiguity about fascism's positions in order to rally as many people to it as possible, saying fascists can be "aristocrats or democrats, revolutionaries and reactionaries, proletarians and anti-proletarians, pacifists and anti-pacifists".<br /><br />Would you like salt on those fries?<br /><br />Oh wait a minute... no salt.<br /><br />On second thought gimme back those fries they were cooked with trans-fats.<br /><br />Now, whose not verging on authoritarianism?<br /><br />Cheers!Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-1468565638939504212011-10-19T21:42:07.403-06:002011-10-19T21:42:07.403-06:00Sorry to belabor this, but when I'm told I'...Sorry to belabor this, but when I'm told I'm wrong --and I <i>not</i> wrong -- I feel a strong urge to DEMONSTRATE it. Words have always been extremely important to me, and I take great pains to use them with utmost care and precision.<br /><br /><br />Useful definitions from online dictionaries<br /><br /><br /><b>AUTHORITARIAN</b><br /><br />1: of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority <br /><br />2: of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people <br /><br /><b>AUTHORITARIANISM</b> <br /><br />the belief that people with power should control what other people can do, or a situation in which this happens.<br /><br /><b>TOTALITARIAN</b><br /><br />1: centralized control by an autocratic authority<br /><br />2: the political concept that the citizen should be totally subject to an absolute state authority<br /><br />Example:<br /> <br />In times of crisis, when a nation's people are frightened, there are often calls for totalitarianism<br /><br />Synonyms: absolutism, autarchy, authoritarianism, autocracy, Caesarism, czarism (also tsarism or tzarism), dictatorship, totalism, despotism, tyranny<br /><br /><b>TOTALITARIANISM</b><br /><br />a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)<br /><br />Synonyms:<br /><br />absolutism, authoritarianism, Caesarism, despotism, dictatorship, monocracy, one-man rule, shogunate, Stalinism, tyranny<br /><br />Types:<br /><br />police state - a country that maintains repressive control over the people by means of police (especially secret police)<br /><br />autarchy, autocracy - a political system governed by a single individual<br /><br />Thanks for your understanding, Silver Fiddle.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-2853669553696355562011-10-19T21:42:06.227-06:002011-10-19T21:42:06.227-06:00Ducky, who said socialism can't be nationalist...Ducky, who said socialism can't be nationalistic? <br /><br />Johann Plenge:<br /><br />"the "ideas of 1789" that included rights of man, democracy, individualism and liberalism were being rejected in favour of "the ideas of 1914" that included "German values" of duty, discipline, law, and order<br /><br />This National Socialism was a form of state socialism that rejected the "idea of boundless freedom" and promoted an economy that would serve the whole of Germany under the leadership of the state.<br /><br />This National Socialism was opposed to capitalism due to the components that were against "the national interest" of Germany, but insisted that National Socialism would strive for greater efficiency in the economy.<br /><br />Plenge advocated an authoritarian rational ruling elite to develop National Socialism through a hierarchical technocratic state<br /><br />Oswald Spengler: <br /><br />"The meaning of socialism is that life is controlled not by the opposition between rich and poor, but by the rank that achievement and talent bestow. That is our freedom, freedom from the economic despotism of the individual."<br /><br />True socialism according to Spengler would be in the form of corporatism, stating that "local corporate bodies organized according to the importance of each occupation to the people as a whole; higher representation in stages up to a supreme council of the state; mandates revocable at any time; no organized parties, no professional politicians, no periodic elections."<br /><br />Tha Nazi Party "National Socialist Program": that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens . . . the abolition of all incomes unearned by work . . . the ruthless confiscation of all war profits ... the nationalization of all businesses that have been formed into corporations ... profit-sharing in large enterprises ... extensive development of insurance for old-age ... land reform suitable to our national requirements.<br /><br />Sound familiar?<br /><br />Quotes from Goebbels: "in final analysis", "it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism."<br /><br />"the Nazi Party was a "workers’ party", "on the side of labour, and against finance"<br /><br />Hitler spoke enthusiastically about the "National Socialist corporative idea" as one which would eventually "take the place of ruinous class warfare"(Mein Kampf)Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-38128986106249604382011-10-19T21:33:20.632-06:002011-10-19T21:33:20.632-06:00Under this present administration, America has alr...Under this present administration, America has already taken its first giant step on the highway leading to a tyrannical government. The only question now is: Can we reverse course before it is too late?Most Rev. Gregorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07540256252670065874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-46051124974873498512011-10-19T21:12:54.905-06:002011-10-19T21:12:54.905-06:00That makes as much sense s your "explanation&...That makes as much sense s your "explanation" of National Socialism.<br /><br />Hitler came to power primarily on a platform of Nationalism. You remember Bismarck. I mention that on the off chance you know any history at all beyond your military indoctrination.<br /><br />What economic program he had was to boom up with military expenditure.<br /><br />Now most Socialists are looking for a system that shares political power and adequately distributes wealth. That was not present in 30's Germany.<br /><br />Now go find a minority to dump on, maybe Muslims or whatever turns your crank.<br /><br />I've been in traffic accidents that had more bodies than you describe, hard guy.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-13023444760562789742011-10-19T21:04:43.392-06:002011-10-19T21:04:43.392-06:00@FT: I do understand YOUR point very well, but app...@FT: <i>I do understand YOUR point very well, but apparently no one understands mine which is that TYRANNY is still TYRANNY no matter what LABEL it uses, or what BANNER it parades under.</i> <br /><br />I do. Which is why I refuse to quibble over academic minutiae.<br /><br />Ducky has never stumbled upon a pile of corpses rotting in the jungle, obscured by a cloud of flies so thick that at first you think you've think you're staring into some dark abyss. Then you get closer, and realize that you are.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-89011511080432598252011-10-19T20:40:23.473-06:002011-10-19T20:40:23.473-06:00Okay, Finn, so different tyrants COMPETE with one ...Okay, Finn, so different tyrants COMPETE with one another for dominance. <br /><br />I have known for a long time that Hitler was a enemy of Communism. One of the great ironies of history is that WE were ALLIED with Uncle Joe Stalin and the Soviets against Hitler.<br /><br />If I had to choose which was the worst of the bad guys I'd choose Stalin and Mao over Hitler any day.<br /><br />I do understand YOUR point very well, but apparently no one understands mine which is that TYRANNY is still TYRANNY no matter what LABEL it uses, or what BANNER it parades under.<br /><br />I think my two different apples are still apples parallel is perfectly apt. We could quibble forever about which apple is better, worse, taster, sweeter, firmer, softer, larger, smaller, better for eating, better for cooking, but when all is said and done apples are still APPLES.<br /><br /><b>I don't give a damn whether a totalitarian system wants to sell itself as glorifying "the workers" or whether it wants to sell itself as glorifying "the state." The result is the same in either case -- i.e. the PEOPLE get SCREWED.</b><br /><br />If Red China is not a totalitarian state, I can't imagine what would be. I'll never forget Tienanmen Square. There are differences in cultural STYLE among all these despotic regimes to be sure, but the ESSENCE of all of them is CENTRAL CONTROL -- and that spells DESPOTiSM. Even a "benevolent" dictator is STILL a dictator.<br /><br />"Communism" is a MYTH. The proletariat have never for an instant "dictated" to anyone. They have always been -- and will always be -- dictated TO by a rigid, authoritarian hierarchy that places itself above the people and micromanages their lives into a state of utter misery.<br /><br />The same thing (ever greater amounts of CENTRAL CONTROL) has been creeping up on us for a very long time. I don't care whether we call it Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fabianism, Progressivism, Liberalism, Fascism, Despotism, or Zanzibarbarianism. The process is EVIL MASQUERADING as GOOD, and the RESULTS always have been and always will be disastrous.<br /><br />If you found yourself confined in a death camp, would it matter to you whether it was called a Gulag, a Concentration Camp, an Extermination Center, Treblinka, Alcatraz, Abu Ghraib, The Black Hole of Calcutta, or The Happy Valley Home of the Eternal Rest?<br /><br />And when they come for you to walk that last mile, would it matter very much whether you are to be machine gunned into a bloody pulp, hanged, beheaded, electrocuted or gassed to death?<br /><br />DEAD is DEAD. <br /><br />And slavery is slavery no matter how well your masters treat you -- or what name they require you to call them.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-9135066703334715172011-10-19T19:36:43.712-06:002011-10-19T19:36:43.712-06:00ecc102: If you like Hayek, you'll love The Lu...ecc102: If you like Hayek, you'll love <a href="http://mises.org/" rel="nofollow">The Ludwig von Mises Institute</a><br /><br />The greatest endorsement is that Ducky hates it.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-79455888956490583122011-10-19T19:33:36.780-06:002011-10-19T19:33:36.780-06:00Yeah, Jersey, who said anything about brownshirts?...Yeah, Jersey, who said anything about brownshirts? Beside you?Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-48555891360358946202011-10-19T19:32:58.372-06:002011-10-19T19:32:58.372-06:00Jersey: Coming from a person who thinks Obama is ...Jersey: Coming from a person who thinks Obama is a good president, I take your last comment as a compliment.<br /><br />Ducky: Non-sequitur. I just explained national socialism. You are having a hard time swallowing the socialism part. Eat it. Own it. You've adopted his agenda. <br /><br />And professor Jersey, please enlighten us and tell us what philosophical well spring feeds the OWS movement.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-39011996915608823032011-10-19T19:18:23.901-06:002011-10-19T19:18:23.901-06:00Jersey, I personally don't compare them to bro...Jersey, I personally don't compare them to brown shirts. That'd be a compliment. I point to them as social misfits who can be 'proud' that 90% of 5th graders are their betters.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-20684299298349473562011-10-19T19:01:16.016-06:002011-10-19T19:01:16.016-06:00I can't believe you Righties can compare kids ...I can't believe you Righties can compare kids protesting Wall Street with the Brown Shirts. It's just so fuckin' stupid.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-90079303901296781462011-10-19T18:54:58.820-06:002011-10-19T18:54:58.820-06:00I agree. If 'America' vote for obama agai...I agree. If 'America' vote for obama again, or vote for the useless sock puppet romney becuase 'they're afraid' a conservative can't win, then stick the fork in because this country is done.<br /><br />And that is just step one. The Dept of Ed has to go. The EPA has to be downsized in the power they wield on a major scale, and any attempt to restore their powers must be through constitutional amendment.<br /><br />Thank about that. The EPA is the most powerful branch of government. Yea, 4 branches, not 3. How the F did that happen?<br />Checks and Balances? Puhleeease...Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-70250244582897964892011-10-19T18:36:38.205-06:002011-10-19T18:36:38.205-06:00Silverfiddle, you are claiming that Hitler was not...Silverfiddle, you are claiming that Hitler was not an Aryan Nationalist?<br /><br />The nationalism was not a major part of his philosophy?<br /><br />Really, remember, when you hear that sound again it's your cornermen yelling "Stay down !"Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-27266943689246908992011-10-19T18:25:29.787-06:002011-10-19T18:25:29.787-06:00Wow, your rants remind me of Glenn Beck. Take a bu...Wow, your rants remind me of Glenn Beck. Take a bunch of unrelated information, drive it into the ground and conclude with wacko stupidity, lol!Bdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16577053490433489212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-2667028687433221512011-10-19T18:25:19.901-06:002011-10-19T18:25:19.901-06:00FT: No, Finntann never said "Fascism bore no ...FT: No, Finntann never said "Fascism bore no resemblence to Marxism". <br /><br />I said that there are left and right wing variants of socialism.<br /><br />The Nazis were indeed socialists but of the right-wing variety. Theirs was not the socialism of Marx but of Plenge and Drexler.<br /><br />The Nazis did indeed round up Marxist socialists as they were the competition, advocating a different brand of socialism.<br /><br />Whereas marxism exalts the worker, the right wing socialist exalts the state.<br /><br />Whereas there are many similarities between authoritarian and totalitarian states it is naive to lump them together and claim their is no difference. What is the category anyway?<br /><br />I'll take bad governments for $1200 Alex.<br /><br />Despite there similarities no one would argue that the Soviet Union and China had the same government any more than the governments of the western democracies are all the same.<br /><br />Progressive socialism with big government and elements of corporatism does indeed share many more similarities with German National Socialism than it does with Marx, Engels, and the Leninist/Stalinist movement.Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.com