tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post1664088576176553462..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: Bread, Circuses, and Common SenseSilverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-85057238703283155362012-11-14T18:54:29.851-07:002012-11-14T18:54:29.851-07:00Yes Stogie, I've heard of the Laffer curve, po...Yes Stogie, I've heard of the Laffer curve, point is... we have a spending problem not a taxing problem.<br /><br />Would you tell someone who earned 80,000 a year with 80,000 in credit card debt to go out and get a better paying job?Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-40824444200368153322012-11-13T21:39:41.087-07:002012-11-13T21:39:41.087-07:00We lack common sense when we believe someone who t...<i>We lack common sense when we believe someone who tells us we are going to raise enough revenue to cover the deficit by lowering taxes. Common sense dictates you pay off debt either by spending less, or earning more.</i><br /><br />Ever hear of the Laffer Curve? There is an optimal point at which tax rates cannot rise without actually lowering tax revenues. When taxes are too high the tax base shrinks, and at some critical point, revenues decline. JFK proved that in 1962. He lowered the rates and tax revenues increased.<br /><br />If you increase tax rates by 100%, you do not double your tax revenues, because the base shrinks: people stop producing at the previous level or take their business somewhere else where the tax rates are more reasonable.<br />Stogiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05852841950131130696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-32311893407923756932012-11-13T20:44:19.480-07:002012-11-13T20:44:19.480-07:00Actually, Obama won New Hampshire, which has a new...Actually, Obama won New Hampshire, which has a new voter ID law. <br /><br />Piling on to this Romneybot sore loser meme, Romney won South Carolina despite its voter ID law been tied up in courts right now. There was no voter ID requirements in South Carolina. Why didn't Obama win?<br /><br />(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-62699416713446353822012-11-13T15:14:24.093-07:002012-11-13T15:14:24.093-07:00Liberalmann,
"And there it is in a nutshell. ...Liberalmann,<br />"And there it is in a nutshell. The old 'I got mine and worked soooo hard for it, now screw those who need help.'"<br /><br />You seem to have delusion thinking. If you were in the position to pay 35% in taxes I will have to assume you would be overjoyed. Paying taxes is part of life but it would be nice to see the federalists spend it on wisely. Both sides waste our money and want more so it is not just the democrats who but votes with our money.<br /><br />As to you statement "Considering the voter ID laws (and Obama lost every state with new laws)"<br /><br />Maybe that should tells you something.skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-20223926108338861032012-11-13T15:10:13.971-07:002012-11-13T15:10:13.971-07:00You're the one who mentioned lies, Junior.
Go...You're the one who mentioned lies, Junior.<br /><br />Got facts?Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-289774187205061072012-11-13T14:27:51.069-07:002012-11-13T14:27:51.069-07:00Show me where they have lied.Show me where they have lied.Liberalmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04612454539046863752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-10009968715714767862012-11-13T08:52:42.973-07:002012-11-13T08:52:42.973-07:00And it's also why people think Rachel Madcow, ...And it's also why people think Rachel Madcow, channeling Walter Krankheit with her black hornrimmed glasses is journalism, and why they tune into beet-red fathead ranter Ed Schultz.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-3088447278190480082012-11-13T06:58:38.570-07:002012-11-13T06:58:38.570-07:00Always On Watch said..."Negative ads work bec... Always On Watch said..."Negative ads work because our electorate has been conditioned to love negativity."<br /><br />...<br /><br />And lies work for the same reason. That's why people buy the National Inquirer and watch Fox News.Liberalmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04612454539046863752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-87535475819532743072012-11-13T05:53:30.711-07:002012-11-13T05:53:30.711-07:00Negative ads work because our electorate has been ...Negative ads work because our electorate has been conditioned to love negativity.<br /><br />Just look at the television shows of the past two decades (at least). Put downs are the name of the game! There is very little positive. The contrast with old television shows is astounding -- a fact that hit me the other day when I was watching one of the Western channels. I may be wrong, but I think that negativity took off as a national trend when <i>Laugh In</i> appeared on the broadcast waves.<br /><br />Also, look at the literature read in the school systems. Happy endings and definitive resolutions of plot are no longer viewed as worth the read.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-56876918191520025322012-11-13T05:49:47.902-07:002012-11-13T05:49:47.902-07:00Duck,
You said:
As for what divides us, I think a...Duck,<br />You said:<br /><br /><i>As for what divides us, I think a very, very critical point is subtle. The left believes there are problems which can only be solved by mass collective action.</i><br /><br />Damn. We agree again!<br /><br />But the history of <i>collective action</i> isn't very good, now, is it?Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-50257331817426945182012-11-13T05:47:19.945-07:002012-11-13T05:47:19.945-07:00I concur with Z:
I do know that the left votes &#...I concur with Z:<br /><br /><i>I do know that the left votes 'en masse' and there's no dissent within the party. Republicans have varying viewpoints, lots of soul searching and run the gamut.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure that it's even possible to change those ways.<br /><br />What's interesting to me is that Left promotes marching to the beat of one's own drum, but at the ballot box, it is the conservatives who march to different drummers.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-73061538838515659282012-11-13T05:39:33.505-07:002012-11-13T05:39:33.505-07:00"Both parties underperformed in comparison to..."Both parties underperformed in comparison to 2008, which is a statement in itself."<br /><br />It's not, it's regression to the mean. Estimated turnout is a little under 60%, which is higher than in 2004, which was itself a rather high-turnout. 2008 had a record turnout, there's no reason to expect it to be beaten or equalled this time round.<br /><br />You'll never really understand why the Left sometimes win elections while you refuse to recognise non-selfish reasons for voting that way.jezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865247084509280406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-78672614503382264792012-11-13T02:53:14.197-07:002012-11-13T02:53:14.197-07:00It's not the party, they are but reflections o...It's not the party, they are but reflections of the people's will.<br /><br />Some of them just want bread and circuses and don't care who pays for it.<br /><br />Some of them are tired of making and giving and want to take a bit back now.<br /><br />The reasoning is irrelevant now, more want to take than make and they'll only look for those who'll give it to them.MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-46912469911613521102012-11-12T23:24:11.143-07:002012-11-12T23:24:11.143-07:00thanks, Finntann...
It's my opinion that the ...thanks, Finntann...<br /><br />It's my opinion that the leftwingers at our conservative blogs make it impossible for Conservatives to have a discussion of what we're dissatisfied with our own party about. I've hesitated to do that at my blog; when I have, it's brought on an onslaught of such ridiculous comments from the left, I realized that it's not possible. <br /><br />I do know that the left votes 'en masse' and there's no dissent within the party. Republicans have varying viewpoints, lots of soul searching and run the gamut. Basically, I suppose one could say that's why we lose elections, particularly when there are some feeling so disenfranchised they decide to stay home and insure disaster!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-1669549098858315842012-11-12T22:37:04.038-07:002012-11-12T22:37:04.038-07:00You can call you what you want Liberalmann, but pl...You can call you what you want Liberalmann, but please don't bore me with regurgitated talking points.<br /><br />Not to mention it is hardly billions. According to the New York Times Obama spent 852.9 Million, Romney 752.3 Million and those figures include the top PACs.<br /><br />http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance<br /><br />I could be snarky and say that Obama's figures don't include all the proverbial free liquor and smokes that are entitlement programs, after all a 32% increase and 1 Trillion dollars has to buy some votes, doesn't it? <br /><br />And for god's sake... do you just make this stuff up? Of the 11 states with Photo ID requirements Obama won four of them (NH, FL, MI, HI), and of the 19 states with non-photo ID requirements Obama won seven (CT, RI, DE, VA, OH, CO, & WA). No surprises there.<br /><br />http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx<br /><br />But Hey! How 'bout them Steelers?<br /><br />Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-47024020436487704262012-11-12T21:37:52.382-07:002012-11-12T21:37:52.382-07:00Considering the voter ID laws (and Obama lost ever...Considering the voter ID laws (and Obama lost every state with new laws), the attempts a voter suppression in Florida with reduced early voting hours and 5 hour lines, the billions in super PAC money, the lies upon lies perpetuated by Fox/Rush......I'd call I an ass kicking.Liberalmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04612454539046863752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-21114366028478921092012-11-12T21:32:55.230-07:002012-11-12T21:32:55.230-07:00No matter how you spin it, 62-58 is not an ass kic...No matter how you spin it, 62-58 is not an ass kicking.<br /><br />Both parties underperformed in comparison to 2008, which is a statement in itself.<br /><br />Take a look at the House map:<br /><br />http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/House/2012/<br /><br />There's a story there.Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-52095149179034673482012-11-12T21:08:36.315-07:002012-11-12T21:08:36.315-07:00It was either candidates to win, Finntann. This el...It was either candidates to win, Finntann. This election was a question of turnout and Obama's ground game was decisive.<br /><br />One swing state. One (1).<br />That was an ass kicking.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-66766177622658677192012-11-12T19:46:15.158-07:002012-11-12T19:46:15.158-07:00I fail to understand how you can apply the descrip...I fail to understand how you can apply the description "absolutely smashed" to this election.<br /><br />Obama's performance at the polls was the 12th worst in the last 47 elections going back to 1824.<br /><br />Honestly, Harding smashed Cox, Roosevelt smashed Landon, Nixon Smashed McGovern, and Reagan smashed Mondale.<br /><br />2.7% doesn't constitute absolutely smashed, it constitutes barely squeeked by. <br /><br />In terms of the electoral college, it's middle of the road 37th out of 57. Hardly a mandate, and hardly a stunning performance. I hate to say it (well really I don't) but aside from Bush, it's the worst performance for an incumbent since Woodrow Wilson.<br /><br />Cheers!Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-42294182623770542092012-11-12T18:15:54.992-07:002012-11-12T18:15:54.992-07:00Ducky, the Breitbart crowd is what?
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Easily ...Ducky, the Breitbart crowd is what?<br /><br />-----<br />Easily manipulated.<br /><br />What was he most famous for? The A.C.O.R.N. sting? A totally dishonest effort to deny poor people a voice at the polls. Nothing that you should be proud of.<br /><br />It was a good indicator of how quickly the Dems will cave however.<br /><br />But what happened? it backfired. The Dem ground game absolutely smashed Romney's. Crippled him.<br /><br />All that Karl Rove money and nothing to show for it. Admit it, wouldn't you get a chuckle waching Karl being called into a meeting with Sheldon Adelson and seeing plastic on the floor?Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-47001114507771397172012-11-12T16:56:45.114-07:002012-11-12T16:56:45.114-07:00skudrunner said..."Duck, I have never felt ei...skudrunner said..."Duck, I have never felt either party is fiscally sound but that the "progressives" give far more to those who don't need it than the r's. IMHO'"<br /><br />..<br /><br />And there it is in a nutshell. The old 'I got mine and worked soooo hard for it, now screw those who need help.'Liberalmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04612454539046863752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-16157820894844060592012-11-12T16:33:16.449-07:002012-11-12T16:33:16.449-07:00No problem Z, you make some very good points that ...No problem Z, you make some very good points that I am sure many of us can relate to. I am curious as to what people on both the left, right, and middle are dissatisfied with in regards to their own political affiliation.<br /><br />We also need fundamental change, and we need to start selling our own ideas instead of opposing other peoples.<br /><br />Cheers!<br /><br />Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-74501537972291561932012-11-12T16:15:03.885-07:002012-11-12T16:15:03.885-07:00@ We don't get the base salivating with "...@ We don't get the base salivating with "a balanced budget amendment".<br /><br />Is there something inherently wrong with a balanced budget amendment?<br /><br />Now, I am not so naive to believe that there shouldn't be exceptions to that policy, they should be just that 'exceptions', not the rule. I would also say those exceptions should have to be proved by an overwhelming majority such as 2/3rds in order to take effect.<br /><br />Our current fiscal policy is unsustainable, and taxing the rich won't solve it. Progressives love to use WWII as an example of massive debt followed by high taxes to pay it off as an example, but I need to point out that WWII like all wars was of finite duration, the war on poverty is going to be forever.<br /><br />So we are left at the point where we need to decide what a government of limited (and they are limited) resources should be doing. I think we can all agree we don't want people starving or dying of curable diseases. So, where do we go from there?<br /><br /><br /><br />Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-19866408832712067632012-11-12T15:49:55.411-07:002012-11-12T15:49:55.411-07:00Shaw? Simple. I don't believe a word he says....Shaw? Simple. I don't believe a word he says. Not one word. <br />But, you keep on...congratulations on your win. God help the children of the future. This cannot be the great country I grew up in anymore, that's for sure. ANd millions feel exactly like I do.<br /><br /><br />Ducky, the Breitbart crowd is what? As compared to Chris Matthews or any of leftwing nuts you admire? :-)<br /><br />Finn...sorry...there was enough in your piece to throw me off but I did wonder if that was what you meant. Sorry for the POST I wrote in rseponse! <br />Boehner needs to go; I'll say that in support of your criticism of Republicans and Democrats.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-75137442816675171192012-11-12T15:35:05.075-07:002012-11-12T15:35:05.075-07:00"Pretty good thread today, Silverfiddle."...<i>"Pretty good thread today, Silverfiddle."</i><br /><br />Compliments to Finntann. It was his show.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.com