tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post3559783594584639930..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: No Magic Bullets, Only Trade-offsSilverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-73034909099189195432011-12-23T13:20:13.581-07:002011-12-23T13:20:13.581-07:00Frack using non-toxic chemicals. Problem solved.Frack using non-toxic chemicals. Problem solved.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-10793542903327086162011-12-22T15:32:33.884-07:002011-12-22T15:32:33.884-07:00Our largest challenge is not as much a lack of oil...Our largest challenge is not as much a lack of oil as it is the lack of refineries. If we started building refineries you would see prices drop fast. As far as franking, I thing we should use caution. I'm not a believer in the peak oil nonsense, I think abiotic makes far more sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-68667772287530901382011-12-22T09:36:11.157-07:002011-12-22T09:36:11.157-07:00I suspect the only "disinterested" obser...I suspect the only "disinterested" observers live six feet underground under marble monuments.<br /><br />As the Scottish philosopher said, <i><b>"Reason is but the slave of passion."</b></i><br /><br />When you <i>know</i> you're right, you'll stoop to anything to "prove" it.<br /><br />Look what happened to the "Scientific Community" over the issue of Global Warming, if you don't believe that.<br /><br />The right wing tells you one thing. The left wing tells you something entirely different. Both are discussing the <i>same</i> topic. Whom can you believe? Both sides marshall their own set of facts. Both <i>use</i> "facts" to "rove" their position. So whom can you believe?<br /><br />ANSWER: <b>We believe whoever puts forth views with which we can sympathize.</b><br /><br />Find me a wingless bird, and we might be able to get at the Truth.<br /><br />I tend to believe that only God knows "The Truth." People only "know" what they want to believe.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-56267997151900539322011-12-22T07:31:08.673-07:002011-12-22T07:31:08.673-07:00Leticia: You've got to be sure you know the s...Leticia: You've got to be sure you know the source of the information. Almost all of it is advocacy work, for one side or the other. A disinterested observer doesn't have the motivation to put that stuff together.<br /><br />Finn: Way to go! You scared Jersey off with all those facts. You'd think a guy who is so consistently proven wrong would learn from it...Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-62175743573326611232011-12-21T21:09:43.835-07:002011-12-21T21:09:43.835-07:0098, we searched several websites that talked about...98, we searched several websites that talked about the damaging results on fracking and one documentary, in Arkansas, about the birds and several small towns where water being toxic, due to fracking. I believe it was on youtube. It was fascinating and frightening at the same time.Trekkie4Everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03226981394122557804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-86735882737759663242011-12-21T19:43:07.301-07:002011-12-21T19:43:07.301-07:00The last two remaining refineries in the Philadelp...The last two remaining refineries in the Philadelphia area are closing soon. Once the hub of the East Coast. If you check it out, a good percentage of the rest are now in foreign hands and have been sold -- one to China in California.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-47456343766607225722011-12-21T18:53:53.902-07:002011-12-21T18:53:53.902-07:00Great point in quoting all those gas prices, Finnt...Great point in quoting all those gas prices, Finntann, but -- <i>speaking of <b>tradeoffs</b></i> -- I'd rather pay $4.00 a gallon to drive in these United States -- even the ten or twelve dollars I hear it costs in Europe and Britain -- than get it absolutely <i>free</i> in one of those shitty gritty Arab stinkpot countries, wouldn't you?<br /><br />Maybe we get to pay more, because everything in The West is so much better than it is anywhere else? <br /><br />We always have to pay more for quality -- at least I've never known that not to be the case.<br /><br />But I see how you crushed poor Jersey by sowing that domestically produced oil COULD cost us much less than the imported kind.<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-28337130400737051752011-12-21T18:32:26.968-07:002011-12-21T18:32:26.968-07:00Leticia said...
My boss and I did an extensive stu...Leticia said...<br /><i>My boss and I did an extensive study on the damage of fracking and we came to the same conclusion, in the areas that fracking was being done, we noticed a rise in earthquakes. <br /><br />AND...remember the thousands of birds that were found dead? Fracking was done in close proximity of where all the dead birds were found, we believe it released toxic gases that killed the birds, while in flight. <br /><br />There is a correlation.</i><br /><br />Interesting. Is there anything published on that?98ZJUSMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00835592067007059336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-6233251357658370282011-12-21T18:28:15.397-07:002011-12-21T18:28:15.397-07:00Finntann said...
OIL IS A GLOBALLY TRADED COMMODIT...Finntann said...<br /><i>OIL IS A GLOBALLY TRADED COMMODITY<br /><br />Price of a Gallon Gas April 2011<br /><br />1. Iran = $0.37<br />2. Saudi Arabia = $0.61<br />3. Qatar = $0.72<br />4. Bahrain = $0.79<br />5. Turkmenistan = $0.83<br />6. Kuwait = $0.87<br />7. Oman = $1.17<br />8. Yemen = $1.32<br />9. Brunei = $1.47<br />10. UAE = $1.78<br /><br />And Jersey, your point is? </i><br /><br />Whoops......98ZJUSMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00835592067007059336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-863485758639411012011-12-21T18:24:40.271-07:002011-12-21T18:24:40.271-07:00JMJ says: rightwing halfasses.
I can fully under...JMJ says: <i>rightwing halfasses.</i><br /><br />I can fully understand where you would assume anyone light years more intelligent than yourself would be right wing.<br /><br />I'm fairly certain that the factually bereft, actual halfass Catman Krugman shares your belief. You're in good company, then.98ZJUSMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00835592067007059336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-71780957713788244352011-12-21T18:22:52.066-07:002011-12-21T18:22:52.066-07:00OIL IS A GLOBALLY TRADED COMMODITY
Price of a Gal...OIL IS A GLOBALLY TRADED COMMODITY<br /><br />Price of a Gallon Gas April 2011<br /><br />1. Iran = $0.37<br />2. Saudi Arabia = $0.61<br />3. Qatar = $0.72<br />4. Bahrain = $0.79<br />5. Turkmenistan = $0.83<br />6. Kuwait = $0.87<br />7. Oman = $1.17<br />8. Yemen = $1.32<br />9. Brunei = $1.47<br />10. UAE = $1.78<br /><br />And Jersey, your point is? <br /><br />So, what did you pay for gas in April? $3.50? $3.75? For a globally traded commodity?<br /><br />http://www.dnewsglobal.com/10-cheapest-gas-prices-countries/4279.htmlFinntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-35690595720611602672011-12-21T17:42:43.179-07:002011-12-21T17:42:43.179-07:00LibDude: Thank you for your characteristically si...LibDude: Thank you for your characteristically simple-minded comment. Driving cars and generating electricity cause environmental danger, yet we do them because it's an acceptable trade-off.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-51662636842995028102011-12-21T17:40:53.107-07:002011-12-21T17:40:53.107-07:00@Ducky: Tim Worstall is an economics blogger not a...@Ducky: <i>Tim Worstall is an economics blogger not a hydrologist so I'd temper that opinion a bit.</i><br /><br />I picked that article exactly for that reason. I wanted to take people through the process as an economist would, vice how a corporation or a knee-jerk activist would.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-34031452911715803102011-12-21T17:13:13.501-07:002011-12-21T17:13:13.501-07:00The research has been done and the evidence of the...The research has been done and the evidence of the dangers are proven and all you can say is "Nothing in Life is Certain"<br /><br />Lol!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-4049906988898686582011-12-21T16:48:01.985-07:002011-12-21T16:48:01.985-07:00Ducky:
You bring up a good point. Big business no...Ducky:<br /><br />You bring up a good point. Big business now works hand-in-glove with big government. It's crony krapitalism by the highest bidder.<br /><br />---------<br /><br />Yes, and on this board there is near unanimity about the situation. It sucks.<br /><br />What I fear is that removing regulation and letting them run free is just what corporations want. Eliminate the middle man. I doubt Libertarianism would do much of anything to resolve the growing wealth differential.<br /><br />Why resolve it? My belief is that if it becomes too large the society is seriously weakened.<br /><br />Ho do you know it's too large?<br />Constant equity bubbles.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-2269164796323306822011-12-21T16:14:59.412-07:002011-12-21T16:14:59.412-07:00Ducky:
You bring up a good point. Big business n...Ducky:<br /><br />You bring up a good point. Big business now works hand-in-glove with big government. It's crony krapitalism by the highest bidder.<br /><br />If government didn't have the power to assist monopolies then this behavior would not happen.<br /><br />FreeThinke: Yes. Yellowstone will destroy everything people hold dear and life itself.<br /><br />The good news: it most likely won't happen in your lifetime.<br /><br />As you travel through Wyoming you will see cuts through the hills, either by natural forces or by man. You will see layer after layer of ash laid down by Yellowstone over the eons. <br /><br />Where I live I would expect over a foot of ash, according to the geological record. Most of America would be covered to some degree.<br /><br />I'm not worried about Yellowstone. Here's why: In case it does go, there most likely be precursors to warn us of impending doom, weeks in advance. If it suddenly blows you most likely will hear it if you are in the immediate affected areas like Wyoming or Colorado. You will have many hours to get out of dodge if it comes to that.Hugh Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13083672180459131054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-3009055162490332022011-12-21T16:13:57.880-07:002011-12-21T16:13:57.880-07:00My boss and I did an extensive study on the damage...My boss and I did an extensive study on the damage of fracking and we came to the same conclusion, in the areas that fracking was being done, we noticed a rise in earthquakes. <br /><br />AND...remember the thousands of birds that were found dead? Fracking was done in close proximity of where all the dead birds were found, we believe it released toxic gases that killed the birds, while in flight. <br /> <br />There is a correlation.Trekkie4Everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03226981394122557804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-34869470956772265742011-12-21T15:52:44.658-07:002011-12-21T15:52:44.658-07:00No new refining plants have been built for over a ...No new refining plants have been built for over a decade now<br /><br />-----------<br /><br />And the majors are raking in the dough hand over fist. Why would the free market (LMFAO) want that situation to change?<br /><br />Remember my Libertarian friends, Kapital loves a monopoly.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-69282425071380390512011-12-21T15:50:45.876-07:002011-12-21T15:50:45.876-07:00Tim Worstall is an economics blogger not a hydrolo...Tim Worstall is an economics blogger not a hydrologist so I'd temper that opinion a bit.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-16108213653787931632011-12-21T15:27:38.575-07:002011-12-21T15:27:38.575-07:00Jersey:
A very good point was made by Mark Adams ...Jersey:<br /><br />A very good point was made by Mark Adams and it slipped by you like truth past a democrat.<br /><br />The EPA has killed off domestic oil refining. No new refining plants have been built for over a decade now - all the work done on existing ones have been to upgrade.<br /><br />Let me illustrate the evil and tyrannical nature of the EPA in a thought experiment:<br /><br />Imagine that I opened my own refinery. Call it Farnham's Freehold Fuel. Gas would go for $2.50 a gallon, diesel a bit more. I would almost give away propane, butane, and bunker oil.<br /><br />Silver, I think, could vouch for the fact I actually could design such a plant. It wouldn't be efficient, but it would work safely.<br /><br />So... some local busybody would drop a dime to the EPA, which would sent out some greasy bureaucrat to verify some guy had the sheer BALLS to run his own NEW refinery - without the blessing and bribes to the DNC. This is despite the plant has never spilled a drop of oil onto Mother Earth.<br /><br />About 24 hours later a heavily armed SWAT team would show up, along with the press (who had been alerted beforehand by the EPA). I would be lucky to not be murdered by these thugs as they shut down my plant.<br /><br />That's the truth behind the regulatory regime our oil producers find themselves today.Hugh Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13083672180459131054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-86972821178135184412011-12-21T15:13:43.907-07:002011-12-21T15:13:43.907-07:00Z: At least Ducky can marshal a coherent argument...Z: At least Ducky can marshal a coherent argument...Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-40619224861579321512011-12-21T15:12:13.371-07:002011-12-21T15:12:13.371-07:00Man, Jersey, no one can accuse you of lack of ego,...Man, Jersey, no one can accuse you of lack of ego, huh?<br />You're like DUcky "if you don't agree with ME, you're stupid, utterly ignorant" <br /><br />Infidel's right...no pollution isn't going to happen. THIS is the huge divide between Lefties and the Right much of the time: Impossible Dreams versus Viable SOlutions.<br /><br />Your image of the Dachsund cracked me UP! xxZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-45587651324994714242011-12-21T15:12:04.105-07:002011-12-21T15:12:04.105-07:00Again, demand is growing far faster than any incre...<i>Again, demand is growing far faster than any increase in our output could keep up with. Any increase in production from us (and we do increase production all the time) has very little impact on prices.</i><br /><br />Now you're starting to make a little sense, but you assume demand would grow faster than out output, an assertion unsubstantiated by fact.<br /><br />Sowell is far from a "rightwing halfass," but it is amusing to hear leftwing halfasses insult him. Kinda like watching aa monkey throwing poop at a statue.<br /><br />Glad to see you're on the record rejecting petroleum industry jobs for Americans. And I'm also glad to see you've admitted the stupidity of your earlier comments about "no will to increase capacity," contradicting yourself with the facts in your second post because you cannot escape them.<br /><br />You are an ideological slave, and as such you will continue to twist yourself in knots when confronted with an adult debate.<br /><br />The trade-off (if you really are so illiterate and mentally-challenged to have not picked up on it) is between environmental damage and energy extraction. It's a fundamental economic concept, like reading.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-89486306864151379602011-12-21T15:00:05.817-07:002011-12-21T15:00:05.817-07:00Silver, I suggest you read about economics from mo...Silver, I suggest you read about economics from more sources than just rightwing halfasses.<br /><br />"More supply lowers prices, unless there is an excess of demand to absorb the extra output."<br /><br />Again, demand is growing far faster than any increase in our output could keep up with. Any increase in production from us (and we do increase production all the time) has very little impact on prices.<br /><br />"Simple question: Would you rather buy oil from people who hate us, or would you rather buy oil produced by hard working Americans?"<br /><br />Yes, it's a very <em>simple</em> question.<br /><br />We "buy" oil from that same market that everyone else buys it from. Most of our oil comes from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela, because they happen to be the closest exporters to us. If Saudi Arabia or Indonesia were closer, we'd probably get more from them. It's just geography and shipping.<br /><br />But again, we can not produce enough to make more than blip in all that.<br /><br />"And speaking of refining capacity, have you seen that we are exporting refined fuel?"<br /><br />Yes, we do export some refined gasoline. But that's because some of our nearby neighbors do not have refining capacity, nor it is worth it for them to have it. And this further goes to show how the refiners have us all by the balls. If that gasoline was staying here, it would decrease prices. But cozy trade relations with Latin America have made exporting it an even more lucrative business, and so the refiners say to hack with us and make more money where they can get away with it. <br /><br />"Did you even read the post? This is about trade-offs."<br /><br />Yes, but you never defined them. You are pretending that America could produce so much oil as to make worth the mess. It's a lie. We can't, and the mess isn't worth the tiny drop in price increased production creates.<br /><br />It's a stupid, moot argument, utterly ignorant of oil economics.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-47106026501152510742011-12-21T14:46:52.099-07:002011-12-21T14:46:52.099-07:00FreeThinke: I vest not special trust in "Ame...FreeThinke: I vest not special trust in "American Oil Companies," which is why I don't make a case for them. We should contract out with whoever can do the job, with American labor.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.com