tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post3960108572623387706..comments2023-09-15T08:07:28.542-06:00Comments on Western Hero: Progressives Infantilize the PoorSilverfiddlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-90297843180163833452012-03-22T11:39:12.035-06:002012-03-22T11:39:12.035-06:00What Grunge says can't be true, since voter ID...What Grunge says can't be true, since voter IDs don't disenfranchise anyone.<br /><br />In fact, they stop disenfranchisement. Think about it, every fake/fraudulent vote cast has the effect of negating a real vote. Disenfranchising people. <br /><br />Seriously, the only people who really dislike voter ID are those political groups who benefit from fake/dead/illegal voters.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-67596768580353384382012-03-21T21:28:07.576-06:002012-03-21T21:28:07.576-06:00So Gene, give us a rundown on which countries do n...So Gene, give us a rundown on which countries do not require identification to vote.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-47799670995193644182012-03-21T21:23:50.664-06:002012-03-21T21:23:50.664-06:00Only repressive societies which seek to disenfranc...Only repressive societies which seek to disenfranchise their citizens require National ID cards...Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-75611945253983526362012-03-21T21:06:08.964-06:002012-03-21T21:06:08.964-06:00I'll reiterate. If you lefties really cared, y...<i>I'll reiterate. If you lefties really cared, you'd bus them to the county office, like you bus them to the polls, and help them get these documents that would also help them open bank accounts and get better employment.</i><br /><br />My grandfather's television and electronics repair shop was firebombed by DemoKKKrats for hiring black men and trying to teach them a trade. It probably didn't help that he was a Republican Party organizer registering black voters in 1960s Birmingham, Alabama. Back when "White Supremacy" was (openly) the motto of the Alabama DemoKKKratic Party.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-52148508209233850042012-03-21T14:32:25.165-06:002012-03-21T14:32:25.165-06:00Your post and your comment nailed is Silver.
But ...Your post and your comment nailed is Silver.<br /><br />But as you can see the sour retorts are just whining about voter fraud being an imaginary problem and it's all just a grand plan by righties to suppress their vote.<br /><br />And don't forget we're the stupid ones. Go figure!<br /><br />They don't hide their biases and dishonesty well enough.MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-36380519192498436202012-03-21T05:25:05.829-06:002012-03-21T05:25:05.829-06:00Like calling people "lazy and irresponsible&q...<i>Like calling people "lazy and irresponsible" because they aren't doing what you might want. It's like that, right?</i><br /><br />What else do you call people who don't get the requisite items to live a responsible life?<br /><br />I'll reiterate. If you lefties really cared, you'd bus them to the county office, like you bus them to the polls, and help them get these documents that would also help them open bank accounts and get better employment.<br /><br />But no, you don't care. The democratic party relies upon the ignorant and the dependent for its vote harvesting enterprise.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-88614332951730646202012-03-21T03:28:38.750-06:002012-03-21T03:28:38.750-06:00JMJ: "When are you "conservatives" ...JMJ: "When are you "conservatives" planning on being conservative again. Everyone misses that."<br /><br /> When Democrats forswear socialism and return to the principles of Jefferson.viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-48303083505246589982012-03-20T23:23:30.114-06:002012-03-20T23:23:30.114-06:00Rob, sorry about that, but I think I made my point...Rob, sorry about that, but I think I made my point.<br /><br />"Jersey, you're so spoiling for a fight that you've stooped to attacks at a personal level? Tsk. That reeks highly of sweaty desperation."<br /><br />Yeah. Like calling people "lazy and irresponsible" because they aren't doing what you might want. It's like that, right?<br /><br />Get the point yet, or shall I indulge in jokes about you're name? Like "My name is Rob and I'm a conservative, and I will make you a conservative like me... I will Rob you."<br /><br />;)<br /><br />Get it yet?<br /><br />It's a stupid argument. Voter ID laws, from the right these days, are sleazy, scummy, lowlife bullshit.<br /><br />When are you "conservatives" planning on being conservative again. Everyone misses that. <br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-75784331323761043912012-03-20T23:22:10.208-06:002012-03-20T23:22:10.208-06:00Now who's overgeneralizing with a 4-lane textu...Now who's overgeneralizing with a 4-lane texture roller.<br /><br />Sheesh. Everyone outside the glittering confines of the urban zone answers the casting call for "Deliverance".<br /><br />Ahhh...why bother. Enjoy your ridiculous worldview. I'm sure it works wonderfully in those 2 square miles of utter bliss.<br /><br />...at least as long as they keep raising the taxes.<br /><br />As far as your wingman,....I didn't realize myopia could be so acute.<br /><br />There is only one reason to oppose voter ID and Grandma not being able to acquire ID ain't it.98ZJUSMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00835592067007059336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-73809877995039799672012-03-20T21:09:09.923-06:002012-03-20T21:09:09.923-06:00@Z We want them EDUCATED
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Pretty damn a...@Z We want them EDUCATED<br /><br />--------<br /><br />Pretty damn arrogant unless you're referring to The Ladies Who Lunch.<br /><br />Educated Republicans would be a fresh breeze.<br /><br />The are two types of Republicans, the rednecks and the educated ones who can quote Michael Savage without shame.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-79680631599124587552012-03-20T19:14:49.332-06:002012-03-20T19:14:49.332-06:00Yep. It is too easy to get a photo ID. If you can...Yep. It is too easy to get a photo ID. If you can't you shouldn't be voting.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-70110842662858071962012-03-20T18:39:21.710-06:002012-03-20T18:39:21.710-06:00Trestin, couldn't agree more! One of the many ...<b>Trestin</b>, couldn't agree more! One of the many things that makes it so much worse is that many of these bags of wasted skin are out there on the roads & highways - license be damned. How else were they planning to get to the voting center? How are they getting to/from work? The liquor store?<br /><br /><b>Viburnum</b>, as a Texan, I especially like the idea of stripping the Presidency from the ballot.<br /><br />And to all, I still have to wonder why we do not yet have online voting. If the web is secure enough for my money... If the web is secure enough for Vegas & Atlantic City gamblers, then it's secure enough for my vote. Make it easier for people to vote - with identification - and perhaps you'd engage more voters.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02101289328294242999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-80933666716822639142012-03-20T16:06:15.627-06:002012-03-20T16:06:15.627-06:00Trestin, so few words and so much sense. THanks f...Trestin, so few words and so much sense. THanks for that..I think you're 100% correct. I think anybody should be able to see that.<br />Who wants to block whole groups of voters from voting? We want them EDUCATED, we want them to have a horse in the race other than their hands out, maybe they should be paying into the system they're voting for? <br />etc etc.<br />good comment..thanks.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-89408493464049757042012-03-20T15:45:56.221-06:002012-03-20T15:45:56.221-06:00Meanwhile back at the ranch, the photo ID law pass...Meanwhile back at the ranch, the photo ID law passed in Texas has been struck down by the DoJ even though the Supreme Court has already ruled that photo ID requirements DO NOT impose an undue burden ? <br /><br /> 47 years, 2 generations, after the 1965 Voting Rights Act the Attorney General still gets to butt into Texas's business? Apparently the sins of the fathers are still allowed to fall on Texans.<br /><br /> My suggestion made elsewhere was that the Texas legislature, in response, should remove the presidency from November's ballot, and decide for themselves who Texas wants for President.viburnumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15381796879179539552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-68273379009638224312012-03-20T15:36:26.366-06:002012-03-20T15:36:26.366-06:00Exactly who are these people which are somehow fun...Exactly who are these people which are somehow functioning in society without identification, but want to vote? How do they get bank accounts, or pay bills? HOW CAN YOU FUNCTION IN TODAY'S SOCIETY WITHOUT IDENTIFICATION?! YOU CAN'T! <br /><br />The only reason anyone would push for this is to simplify and perpetuate voter fraud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-1446294090975340792012-03-20T15:32:55.283-06:002012-03-20T15:32:55.283-06:00The number are small... Bush won by 527 votes and ...The number are small... Bush won by 527 votes and there were most likely over 11000 illegal votes cast... of course you're naive enough to think they voted for your man, so, no harm, no foul.<br /><br />"The electoral system cannot inspire public confidence if no safeguards exist to deter or detect fraud or to confirm the identity of voters." That was the conclusion of the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform, headed by former president Jimmy Carter and former secretary of State James Baker. The commission recommended stronger photo-identification requirements at the polls.<br /><br />The U.S. Supreme Court agrees. In 2008, the court recognized the threat posed by voter fraud and ruled that Indiana's photo ID requirement was a legitimate, non-discriminatory means of protecting the integrity of elections. <br /><br />http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/story/2012-03-19/voter-ID-Texas-fraud/53658158/1<br /><br />It's obvious...<br /><br /><br />You're an imbecile.Finntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-25459155686784547622012-03-20T15:16:51.939-06:002012-03-20T15:16:51.939-06:00Jersey, you're so spoiling for a fight that yo...Jersey, you're so spoiling for a fight that you've stooped to attacks at a personal level? Tsk. That reeks highly of sweaty desperation.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02101289328294242999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-16148886432110953572012-03-20T15:14:15.307-06:002012-03-20T15:14:15.307-06:00Well Finntann you seem to agree that the number is...Well Finntann you seem to agree that the number is small and frankly it's likely offset by the voter suppression numbers so this is at best a push.<br /><br />However you ignore the real objection here. The measures are efforts right wing bigots to suppress voting.<br /><br />And the likes of the eloquent Bob ably demonstrate what's behind this. <br /><br />So the supporters are going to lose in the courts and they're going to be called out for the bigots they are.<br /><br />UP THE TEA PARTY !!!Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-67127965559142583552012-03-20T13:37:33.919-06:002012-03-20T13:37:33.919-06:00I did not cite Florida as a case of rampant voter ...I did not cite Florida as a case of rampant voter fraud, but as the election margin narrows the impact of fraud increases.<br /><br />The impact of voter fraud on a landslide election is non-existent, the closer it is, the higher the potential impact.<br /><br />"the critical factor in Florida was voter fraud?"<br /><br />"they bring up Florida for some reason as an instance of rampant voter fraud"<br /><br /><br />I didn't say or imply either, don't put words in my mouth.<br /><br />I said "You need look no further than Bush-Gore to see that it doesn't need to be very high to impact an election."<br /><br />Meaning admittedly low fraud numbers can have an impact on a close election.<br /><br />In the 2000 election in Florida the vote count was 2912790 - 2912253 a difference of only 537<br /><br />http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html<br /><br /> Are you saying that in a close race in a high population state (or even any state), voter fraud couldn't throw it one way or the other? All it needs to come down to is a close race that throws the electoral college one way or the other. <br /><br />Florida had a population of roughly 16 million in 2000, of those roughly 20% are under 18, leaving 12,800,000 eligible voters. It would only take a voter fraud rate of .000042% to have thrown the Florida election.<br /><br />Now suppose that those 537 votes that put Bush over the top came from conservative catholic illegal aliens.<br /><br />To use JMJ's source, The Brennan Center, and I quote:<br /><br />"it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time" <br /><br />So... using Jersey's source figures...the voter fraud in Florida in 2000 should have only amounted to 11,520 votes. If only 5% of those fraudulent voters voted conservatively, that's 576 votes. How many votes did Gore lose by again?<br /><br />You do the math!<br /><br />Paints a pretty picture, don't it?<br /><br />But I'm a conservative and voted against Gore...<br /><br />Nooooo! There was absolutely no voter fraud in Florida in 2000, none at all....why do you ask?<br /><br />ROFLMAOFinntannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09234170229108668040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-31798151051805236252012-03-20T13:14:42.693-06:002012-03-20T13:14:42.693-06:00Obama is playing the race card through Holder, art...Obama is playing the race card through Holder, artificially creating a race discrimination that isn’t there just so he can ride in and conquer the mighty evil Republicans.<br /><br />If you want to vote and don't have a birth certificate, write your state, spend the $10 and get one. <br /><br />Jeeze, you have to have an ID to do everything in today's society. Do you mean to tell me that a person who cares about political issues doesn't even have an ID? Heck even the dead people that vote in Chicago have some sort of identification.OD357https://www.blogger.com/profile/13129455581130598040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-24488757817120596932012-03-20T12:47:43.616-06:002012-03-20T12:47:43.616-06:00Yeah, Ducky. All the real fraud out there, and th...Yeah, Ducky. All the real fraud out there, and these sleazoids are worried about something that barely even exists.<br /><br />Meanwhile, these cowards, like Rob here, call people "lazy bastards." I wonder if he'd have the guts to say that to the grandson of some old lady living in the country who doesn't have picture ID.<br /><br />Hey Rob, you wanna talk about lazy? Try losing some weight. I, as a taxpayer, am not looking forward to paying for your eventual diabetes or heart disease.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-38064474987648550912012-03-20T12:30:58.541-06:002012-03-20T12:30:58.541-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Radical Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14722365438771980180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-85504098351646919182012-03-20T12:17:37.155-06:002012-03-20T12:17:37.155-06:00Good Lord, you have to have a birth certificate &q...Good Lord, you have to have a birth certificate "handy" to get married, get a driver's license, get a passport, or to be registered in public school. Hell, I don't think you can even get a relative's death certificate without first providing their birth cert.<br /><br />If these lazy bastards had an inkling of the paperwork required to, say, adopt a child from another country, they'd crap themselves. Shut yer kegholes and trot right on down to the county courthouse!<br /><br />Perhaps acquiring this personal document is a serious deterrent, because these people backstroked across the Rio Grande or hoofed it across Sierra Madres...<br /><br />That people are bellyaching about having to show proof of citizenship to vote just seems laughable.<br /><br />And yeah, written English literacy should be a requirement too - no publishing election info in Spanish. If you can read enough English to navigate the streets to the voting center in your $55k Escelade, you can damn well handle an English voting form.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02101289328294242999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-3584799582747066622012-03-20T11:37:20.358-06:002012-03-20T11:37:20.358-06:00You'll notice Jersey that they bring up Florid...You'll notice Jersey that they bring up Florida for some reason as an instance of rampant voter fraud (I'd love to see the doc) but they avoid any mention of the voter suppression in Ohio during the 2004 election.<br /><br />Then they'll get their knickers in a knot when you call them on the whole foundation of this bullshit argument.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674333464171899932.post-76577363742010900272012-03-20T11:06:28.546-06:002012-03-20T11:06:28.546-06:00I'm not particularly worried about individual ...I'm not particularly worried about individual voting fraud because it is very rare, and it makes no sense - there's just not enough impetus for people to commit the crime. At every polling place I've ever been, the system in place seemed fine for addressing this tiny little problem (you are more likely to be hit by lightening than to fraudulently vote).<br /><br />On the other hand, I'm far more concerned with malfeasance by poll workers, and state and local election institutions, because it is at those levels that fraud can have a major impact.<br /><br />I see no effort from the right to address that. And that tells me that "voter fraud" is not really the issue for the right, but rather just finding little ways to disenfranchise potential Democratic voters at the federal level (you never hear about this nonsense at the local levels during off-year elections).<br /><br />Yet another sleazy right wing pseudo-issue, I'm afraid. It's a shame that you guys can't offer substance.<br /><br />JMJJersey McJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15426560061830038806noreply@blogger.com