As VP Biden would say, Romney’s trouncing of Obama in the debate last week was a big f’ing deal. Romney got a 5-point bounce in the Gallup poll and keeps going higher, so ol’ Gaffmaster Joe’s performance tonight could be worth five or so more. The election could be over this Friday…
Or Maybe Not...
So, Joe Biden had to take six days off to compete for a job he already has. What’s with all the debate prep for him and President Obama? They’ve had the job for almost four years, what is there to “prep” for? Either you know it or you don’t, and they clearly don’t which I guess explains all the preparation. It was so important to Obama that he even cancelled some golf outings and Hollywood media events to practice.
I think the Veep will probably do OK, if he stays away from mentioning how FDR went on TV to speak to the American people or doesn’t try to spell anything. His non-stop, one-man traveling minstrel show lulls us into forgetting that he is an intelligent man.
But seriously, I look for him to take a fatherly, lecturing tone to put Ryan in his place, to portray the younger man as an untested naïf. After all, unlike Obama and Biden, Ryan didn’t kill Osama with his bare hands or win a Nobel Prize, and Biden's been in politics since before Ryan was born.
Also, I predict Biden will go loud populist. It’s the free-wheeling, facts-be-damned territory that suits him best. His reeling off blue collar zingers will contrast sharply with Ryan’s studiousness, and it could end up making Ryan look like a stiff, humorless prig, in love with his actuarial tables, bogged down with cold statistics and unconcerned with “real people.”
I know, it sounds contradictory. Biden being both a lecturing father and a populist joker, but it can work for the voluble Vice President. Think Archie Bunker or (the resemblance is striking) Frank Barone, the father from Everybody Loves Raymond. It will take some skill on Ryan’s part to escape this pincers attack.Nothing is certain. The irony for Biden is this: The more scripted and staid he is, the less effective he’ll be. If he let’s ’er rip, he can win over the crowd and beat Ryan, but that “Scranton Joe unplugged” territory is also mined with gaff hazards.
I predict an entertaining debate with no clear winner, based mostly upon the affable VP’s formidable skills at playing to the peanut gallery. I may just have to watch it tonight.
See also:
Stakes Get Higher in Upcoming Ryan-Biden Debate
Obama Needs the Merciless Joe
Did Obama Just Throw the Entire Election?
And I'm including this picture because I think it is a wonderful piece of photography...
62 comments:
Unlike his boss, I think Biden will acquit himself quite well. He's experienced and knowledgeable; although a rolling gaffe machine, the best way I've heard him described is an 'affable wonk'.
This is not to say that Ryan won't do well either, he's smart as well, and can hammer Biden on the stimulus.
I predict this will not be a lopsided repeat of the first POTUS debate.
Biden, Schmiden, he' is a total idiot and has no business even being in that position. He is only a heartbeat away from being the 2nd worst president that America has ever had, Second to only his Boss. The two of them. are OBAMINATION'S.
In response to the hearings held yesterday, the results are as we all figured.
The Islamic scum killed our Ambassador and the current administration must be held responsible for it. They both have blood on their hands and are still lying about this. And America has been and continues to be lied to by these people who have taken over our country. And these filthy islamofascist terrorist pigs. have gotten away with another slaughter of Americans
Hillary and her Boss must go.
And by the way, here is the latest news,,
Yemeni officials tell the AP that a gunman has shot and killed
Yemen's security chief at the US Embassy
I left this comment over at Z's and will also leave it here because it applies....
Ryan will have to be careful so as not to look like bashing a senior citizen. Just the sight of these two men on the same stage will be jarring: one is young and healthy, and the other looks as if he's nearly ready for the nursing home.
Silverfiddle,
I agree with you that the debate tonight will be a draw.
However anyone decides who won will largely be based on perceptions rather than on debate points.
Anyway, I'll watch the debate tonight. Coffee!
Chic,
Now that you're pointed out that story, I see it all over the web.
But on the morning news on TV? Nope. At least, not yet.
WTH?
He can go populist but populism has been dead in America since the demise of our last liberal president, Richard Nixon.
I can't help but notice the silence from the Progressive Spinmeister. When the Silence is Deafening it can only mean one thing. And that is that the Progressive Spinmeister has nothing to say after the resounding defeat of her beloved Messiah and Savior Barack Hussein Obama, who got the shit kicked out of him at yesterdays hearings. And things are getting to be very scary for her in the polls. I say be very careful of false prophets, especially those that hide behind the skirts of their Subjects.
And one more thing, Who is going to be our Commander in Chief of the Food Police, after the election?
I'm taking a WAIT and SEE attitude.
Biden for all his faults is NOT an idiot. He's a vulgar individual who panders shamelessly to the poor, the downtrodden, the lame, the halt, the blind and the chronically infuriated -- definitely a Champion of victims and Malcontents -- but he's NOT an utter fool.
Old Joe was my senator for 23 years, and while I never voted for him, I have to admit he helped any number of people in my acquaintance with both efficiency and alacrity.
You can't get elected to the U.S. Senate at age 30 and remain there uninterrupted and largely challenged for forty years without having SOMETHING on the ball.
Besides, Biden has a big, loud, common-sounding mouth, and oh how the COMMON people love him!
Anyone who appears to be "high class" has not chance whatsoever in politics today.
Paul Ryan my be young, lean, fit, and not bad looking, but he has a tinny voice and a "muffin mouth" -- meaning he looks Scrooge-like when he's talking, because his mouth turns down and seems to draw his nose and chin too close together -- like a caricature of hard-bitten old man.
It will be "interesting" to see how things turn out tonight to say the least.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but not expecting any sort of dramatic, decided victory for 'our' side.
As a country we've fallen madly in love with contentiousness, vulgarity, stupidity, sort-sightedness and selfishness.
Not much hope in that.
~ FreeThinke
I will be surprised if Ryan doesn't mop the floor with Giden. Ryan is a pretty cool customer. The best thing he could do after a Giden populus rant is break out laughing and tell Jore how funny he is and then rip him a new one.
Maybe Ryan will channel Billy Graham and start preaching only waving a copy of Atlas Shrugged.
...one thing's for certain, Biden will be channeling his inner Hell's Angel and a little fear and loathing from Hunter S. Thompson...
He is, fater all, America's first gonzo Vice President.
erratum - 'after', above.
A preview of tonight's long anticipated performance...
I watched the hearings yesterday, and there was no way that you could have called it anything but devastating to the incompetents in the incompetent cesspool of the Obama administration. But in the end after all the fireworks are over no one except us conservatives are going to give a damn about it.
It was very clear.that The State Dept is so hung up on Barack Hussain, that these Obammies won't give a hoot about any of it.
This whole bunch should be made to resign. They ALL knew and heard what was going on for 6 hours and STILL the three of them \Rice, Hillary and Obama lied a to the nation , and continued to for over a week!.
Lets hope that Paul Ryan gets this out tonight..and nails them all to the wall. ..
Yes, Bin Laden is dead, but so is Ambassador Stevens and 3 of his staffers!
The young voters will be watching sports. The oldsters will be watching the blood sport as to what will happen to our great nation.
Pretty much irrelevant, might as well have Michelle and Ann debate. I don't think many seriously consider VP's when making a decision.
One thing's for sure... nobody is voting for Obama because Biden is on the ticket. Although some may vote for Romney because Ryan is.
I'll watch the debate, if only for the one-liners. One of my favorites:
Joe Biden on Cheerleaders:
"...the stuff they do on hard wood, it blows my mind"
Cheers!
Where was Obama when our embassies were under siege and a U.S. Ambassador was killed, where was America’s commander in chief then? Was he in Los Vegas or on the Letterman show or perhaps he was on the View?
As I watch what this president has done to this country and the lies and deceptions that are so obvious that even a child can see it and how people are so delusional and believe the lies, all I can say is that I can't believe my own President anymore.
And this is the man that was going to restore integrity to the White House? What a joke that is..
What he did was, disrespected Israel. He has spent our money on stupid things like his wife's vacations,. Created alsost no jobs. I could go deeper into it but I guess you already know these things I'm sure.
These people attacked AMERICAN'S on American soil,(Act of war much?) and he apologized to them for a video?. A true President would have apologized for the bomb we shot up their butts .
I agree with FreeThinke. Biden is a pro at keeping his job.
I suspect Biden will attack Ryan on his Medicare/Social Security voucher programs. I think that would be a perfect time for Ryan to jump all over Obama's statement in the first debate. Social Security is doing fine? Even though it will be rendered unsustainable in 20 years.
Where has Ms. Progressive been these last few days. Since the Liar In Chief has been exposed? And since Mr. Arrogance has lost his lead in the polls? And since The Socialist in Chief has failed to restore economic growth and or job creation (besides fudging the numbers) again in America despite adding $6 Trillion to our $16 Trillion National Debt, with no end in sight . And since Mr. Wonderful has gone from one crisis to another! I for one do miss her and her “Facts”
Each time the DNC runs their pro-Obama Care ad, the amount of money seniors will have to come up with if Romney is elected magically increases an additional $2,000 annually.
Let's hope Biden brings that up for discussion --along with his rather condescending comment that tells people to be patriotic, pay more in taxes ...
I agree. I think Biden wins this debate.
@Insurgent - This is not to say that Ryan won't do well either, he's smart as well, and can hammer Biden on the stimulus.
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The only way to criticize the stimulus honestly is to point out that it was too small.
John Galt is unlikely to achieve that epiphany.
@Lady Gun Slinger -- What he did was, disrespected Israel.
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He didn't come down on the world's biggest welfare queens nearly hard enough.
What's your criterion for "winning," Hack?
Is it a Personality Contest?
Will enough people care about substance to make a difference?
Are there enough people out there who can spot the difference between loquacious bullshit and genuine substance?
The former is Biden's stock-in-trade. He's almost as good at saying nothing in more words than you can shake a stick at as our illustrious president.
As a pair of first-rate gasbags, this year's D'Rat candidates a peerless.
So what is it that "wins" a debate?
~ FreeThinke
The only way to criticize the stimulus honestly is to point out that it was too small.
How much money should we have wasted between Porkulus I&II, duckman? And shouldn't we count all the money that the Federal Reserve passed out ($16 trillion)?
You really don't have any kids, do you...
Sorry pShaw, but you are hardly a "fair" arbiter of proper blogging etiquette, having posted obscenities supposedly by me and under my name, but w/o my avatar.
You aren't credible.
Here was my response... and of course, I'm thinking of dedicating a whole website to you....
Oh, THAT's right, I guess I already have. :)
So pShaw, how many "truths" did you delete from your Comments section today?
MiniTru's job is never done... eh, pShaw?
STELLA !! STELLA !!!
Farmer's at it again.
@The only way to criticize the stimulus honestly is to point out that it was too small.
Oh shit, we're still in debt, SPEND MORE MONEY!
@These people attacked AMERICAN'S on American soil
That's actually a common misconception. Diplomatic missions do not enjoy extraterritorial status under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and US Embassies are not on 'American soil'.
What they are is inviolable:
"The premises of the mission shall be inviolable. The agents of the receiving State may not enter
them, except with the consent of the head of the mission."
That does not grant extraterritorial sovereignty. If you (an American without diplomatic immunity) were to enter the American Embassy in Paris and kill a Frenchman (or American)there, you would be guilty of murder in France, and subject to the laws and criminal system of France, not the United States.
But I do get your point.
What was violated was Art 22. Section 2:
The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity.
Cheers!
The Top 5 Things You Need To Know Before Tonight's Debate (besides Ryan is a liar):
1. Romney and Ryan would eliminate health care for 31 million people who are poor or disabled. Medicaid, which helps poor Americans, some seniors, and children afford health care, is right in the crosshairs of Paul Ryan’s House budget. He proposed cutting $1.4 trillion from the program, a move that would kick about 11 million people off Medicaid over the course of ten years. The Romney-Ryan plan is even worse, and is estimated to force about 44 million people off the program.
2. Ryan considers Social Security a “Ponzi Scheme.” In the Fall of 2011, Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) called Social Security a “Ponzi scheme,” and Paul Ryan agreed. Ryan wants to privatize the program.
3. Ryan and Romney cannot cut taxes across the board by 20% and lower the deficit because it’s mathematically impossible. Ryan claims they will achieve these twin goals by closing loopholes and getting rid of deductions for the rich. But, as the Tax Policy Center points out, even if they got rid of every single deduction and loophole, they would still need to find more revenue. That means they’d need to start raising taxes on the middle class.
4. Ryan wants to kick 1 million students off of Pell Grants. As part of his budget, Ryan proposed cutting Pell Grants for nearly 1 million college students. Seventy four percent of Pell Grant recipients in 2011 came from families with incomes of $30,000 or less. There is no evidence that these cuts will curb rising college costs.
5. Ryan’s budget included the same $716 billion in Medicare savings included in Obamacare. The $716 billion that Obamacare takes out of Medicare will almost definitely come up in tomorrow’s debate. Ryan has claimed that Obama “raided” Medicare to pay for his health care reform. In fact, Ryan wants to make Medicare a voucher program and proposed taking the same cuts out of Medicare in his budget. But whereas Obamacare uses those funds to eliminate fraud and increase efficiency, Ryan proposed taking that money to pay down the deficit.
You really need to stop making films, duckman... your subject matter's a bit limited.
@SF
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I will eventually clean it up, but I don't hang on the computer 24/7, so sometimes the offending excrement may sit around awhile. Again, I ask you to please step over it.
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Yes, Finntann, if you enjoy pushing the button, go ahead.
Now if you'd just write a blog post every now and then!
Liberalmann: We welcome comments from liberals here, but please don't cut and paste red propaganda. I'm not a billboard.
You talking points are laughable, best of all you've admitted Obama has slashed $716 billion from Medicare! Thanks for proving Romney right!
#3 is bogus. How do I know? because the leftwing Tax Policy Center did not do the study they use to make their bogus claim, a Princeton economist did.
Wanna know what he has to say about Obama's lying claim?
But Princeton economist Harvey Rosen told The Huffington Post in an interview on Tuesday that there is no way that this claim is accurate. "My paper doesn't say it, doesn't imply it," Rosen said.
He said that, if anything, his paper reached the opposite conclusion about Romney's tax plan. "The paper shows that if you look at individual taxpayers with incomes of $200,000 or more, there is sufficient revenue from base broadening and growth to make up for the revenue lost from lower tax rates. Therefore, there is no need to make up revenue from groups with below $200,000."
Huffington Post
So from now on, I'm deleting your red propaganda. Approach us with logic and reason, not cut and paste talking points.
I'm leaving these up because they are so laughably wrong.
1. Romney and Ryan would eliminate health care for 31 million people...The Romney-Ryan plan is even worse, and is estimated to force about 44 million people off the program.
DUDE! You aren't even coherent.
2. The trust fund ratio, which indicates the number of years of program cost that could be financed solely with current trust fund reserves, peaked in 2008, declined through 2011, and is expected to decline further in future years. After 2020, Treasury will redeem trust fund assets in amounts that exceed interest earnings until exhaustion of trust fund reserves in 2033, three years earlier than projected last year.
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/index.html
3. That means they’d need to start raising taxes on the middle class.
OR STOP SPENDING MONEY YOU DONT HAVE
4. Ryan wants to kick 1 million students off of Pell Grants.
GET A JOB, I did.
5. Ryan’s budget included the same $716 billion in Medicare savings included in Obamacare.
"it’s hard to see how “Ryan did it too” allows Democrats to say that Ryan is throwing granny over a cliff, unless they are confessing guilt to the same crime."
"Ryan’s Medicare cuts were solely used to extend the solvency of the Medicare trust fund, and not to fund new spending elsewhere. By contrast, Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending"
"Mitt Romney is not campaigning on the Ryan budget. He’s campaigning on his own budget, which fully repeals Obamacare, and eliminates that law’s Medicare cuts."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/16/fact-checking-the-obama-campaigns-defense-of-its-716-billion-cut-to-medicare/
Shaw: Someone slams you with porn, so you spread it to my blog? Real classy. Please take your porn back to your own blog and don't post stuff like that here anymore.
Everybody: I had to delete Shaw's post because it contained a link to pornography, and this is not that kind of blog.
In the interest of fairness, here is her comment, minus the porn:
On Sept. 26, 2011, the creep who calls himself Radical Redneck and who continues to be obsessed with me and my blog, sent this to my blog:
"Radical Redneck has left a new comment on your post ""50 REASONS WHY I REJECT EVOLUTION"":
Shaw, you've NEVER looked better!"
Posted by Radical Redneck to Progressive Eruptions at September 26, 2011 4:51 AM"
I can deal with people who disagree with my political philosophy, but I will not participate on a blog that welcomes people like him who sends women these sorts of links.
Radical Redneck is a sick, disgusting pornographer who hopes to shut down anyone who disagrees with him, but especially women. I don't think he has ever sent a man anything as disgusting and repugnant as this because of a political disagreement.
He belongs to you. And he's a perfect example of the extremists you tolerate.
And vulgar idiot Stevie Girl belongs to you, by your logic. Stick to the facts, Shaw. I know the truth hurts in the age of Obama.
Radical Redneck:
Doing stuff like that is not cool, and it's not gentlemanly.
Anybody who keeps it clean can post here, but you should seriously examine your actions. Doing stuff like that erodes your credibility and hands your ideological opponents ammo to blast you with.
@if you enjoy pushing the button, go ahead.
I won't delete anything with the slightest probative value, I just can't stand Steve's juvenile and iterative name-calling.
Shaw - Redneck won't get away posting that stuff here. What he does elsewhere is beyond our control. Other than that, it's kind of rude for both of you to bring your fight onto our blog.
@Now if you'd just write a blog post every now and then!
I know, I've been slacking off, but winter's coming...should be able to pull off a post now and then.
Well... Back to watching the debate.
Cheers!
He may be all that but he kicked John Galt's ass.
He stopped the bleeding. A clear win. Ryan came off as a child.
A biased comment, Ducky.
Biden came off histrionic and rude.
I loved FreeThinke's comment, but he's deleted it.
Biden is a FILIBASTARD is a classic line!
Boom. Ryan was spanked!
A good (and fair) analysis:
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/11/997261/thinkprogress-liveblogs-the-vice-presidential-debate/
And Laughing Gaffe Man Biden came across how?
Ryan won most convincingly on all counts Ducky, in my never humble opinion.
Boom, that is simply a matter of opinion. One not supported by early polling.
I finished watching the debates. I haven't done any fact checking, but as of now, I would lean towards a Biden victory. He seemed a lot more crisp, full of vigor, and definitely kept Ryan on the defensive.
But therein lies the problem for the Obama supporters. You may be in trouble, when your VP acts more presidential than the President.
@A good (and fair) analysis
Thinkprogress is run by the Center for American Progress founded in 2003 by John Podesta to provide long-term leadership and support to the progressive movement.
They are hardly unbiased.
Care to try again?
I'd call it more of a draw. Both candidates came off poorly. Biden was rude and overly aggressive (undoubtedly trying to compensate for Obama's performance) and Ryan was meek. Of course he was in the awkward position of having to not come off as if he were beating up an old man on national TV.
Cheers!
If Biden would have let Ryan speak, we may have gotten a more clear impression that Romney and Ryan have no plan.
This was a draw.
If Martha Raddatz, who appeared quite likable, unlike puffy, querulous old Jim Lehrer, had done her job properly, she would have silenced Biden, the Bullying Bastard, and insisted he shut up while Ryan was trying to answer questions.
Ryan was interrupted EIGHTY-TWO TIMES by the sneering, smirking, ostentatiously insolent Biden, and Ms. Raddatz failed to deliver even so much as ONE well-deserved slap in the wrist.
This was not a DEBATE. Biden turned it into BARROOM BRAWL.
~ FreeThinke
Take a look:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-11/ryan-won-vice-presidential-debate-48-percent-say-in-cnn-poll
Ryan; 24 lies in 40 minutes:
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/12/1002021/at-the-vice-presidential-debate-ryan-told-24-myths-in-40-minutes/
You're wrong Sliver. Ryan (and Romney) is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of Medicare beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, cutting waste fraud and abuse, and eliminating inefficiencies in the system. Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction.
"that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, cutting waste fraud and abuse, and eliminating inefficiencies in the system."
Hee hee hee...
You naive rube... That's one of the hoariest chestnuts in the bag of political tricks.
Cut waste? They why hasn't he just done it already?
Your man has slashed medicare. Learn it, love it, live it, earn it. Eat it.
Oh my!
I hadnt seen that pic before.
Oh my!
Given my oft-derided penchant for linguistic elegance and purity, Silver probably thought I'd go ballistic at his use of "embiggen," but I've outfoxed him. Heh heh heh!
Thanks to the rotten influence of The Simpsons there really is such a word.
Not only that I've gone him one better and figured in my wild and wicked imagination that with embiggen now sanctioned as part of the vocabulary ENSMALLEN surely could not be far behind, and lo and behold! ensmallen IS recognized in ONE online dictionary by Gosh!
How about petiten (to make smaller) -- or engrossen to make larger -- or emblushen to embarrass -- or chagrinize -- to shame?
This could be the start of a Great Game!
Anyone for ENVERBEN?
~ FreeThinke
Liberalmann said...
Boom. Ryan was spanked!
And you used a very unbiased source to prove your point. You must have missed the:
The Benghazi embassy never asked for more protection. He said this the day after the State Department confirmed they did.
Iran does not have a way to deliver a nuclear weapon. Car, suitcase
They saved the auto industry. They spent 60 billion to take them into bankruptcy.
I didn't hear a lot of complaining about the moderator doing a horrible job of controlling the debate. Maybe that is because she is an old friend of Obama's, no that couldn't be it could it?
Your man has slashed medicare. Learn it, love it, live it, earn it. Eat it.
I never thought I'd live to see the day the Republican Party would rally behind someone crying about a major cut to a debt-expanding social program.
Then again, I never thought I'd live to see the Republican Party become the vanguard of the gay rights agenda...
I hope you Americans stop to think when you hear biden knocking off the one-liners about being a commoner and flashing his teeth, how well that's worked out for the last 4 years for you. Ask yourselves honestly.
You would enjoy "How Many Ways Can You Say Ess-Aitch-Eye-Tea?
at:
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