Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Ron Paul is Right for America

OK, I hate the way Dr Paul talks about foreign policy, although I largely agree with him, and it disturbs me that he attracts so many neo-nazis and 9/11 troofers.  It's true that the scariest thing about Ron Paul are his followers.

What continues to attract me is his domestic policy.  He has the most comprehensive and fact-based plan of all the candidates.  Romney's may be more detailed, and Gingrich may have bigger ideas with more facets than a rare gem, but Ron Paul focuses in on big government and its big spending ways.  It is a personal freedom and economic liberty agenda.

Cut Spending...

$ Cut $1 trillion in spending during the first year
$ Eliminate five cabinet departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education)
$ End airport rape and grope operations by abolishing Thousands Standing Around
$ Abolish corporate subsidies
$ Abolish foreign aid
$ End foreign wars
$ Return most other spending to 2006 levels

Regulation...

* Repeal ObamaCare, Dodd-Frank, and Sarbanes-Oxley
* Thorough congressional review and authorization before implementing any new regulations issued by bureaucrats
* President Paul will also cancel all onerous regulations previously issued by Executive Order.

Oh, and Ron Paul was right about the Federal Reserve...

No, it's not an evil Zionist cabal, but the GAO audit did uncover a fetid nest of crony crapitalism.  The GAO report is dry and stuffed with diplomatic language like "...opportunities exist to strengthen its conflict policies."  

No kidding. The place is a virtual revolving door of special interests, and it hands its friends the newly printed cash, so they can use it to maximum leverage before it pollutes the larger marketplace, diluting its value. The Washington Examiner reports...
The most troublesome revelation in the GAO audit is the extent to which insiders benefited from their positions and access during the crisis. The GAO found 18 instances in which current and former members of the Fed affiliated with banks and other companies received emergency loans from the board, including General Electric, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, and JP Morgan Chase. In the case of General Electric, its CEO Jeffrey Immelt served on the New York Fed, which loaned his corporation $16 billion in emergency funding during the crisis.

One of Goldman Sachs' directors, Stephen Friedman, was chairman of the board of the New York Fed. Friedman also owned substantial stock in Goldman Sachs during the same period in 2008 when the New York Fed voted to allow Goldman to operate as a commercial bank as well as an investment bank. That approval meant Goldman got access to loans from the Fed at highly favorable rates. Fed ethics guidelines prohibit a Fed governor from owning stock in a firm being considered for commercial status, but Friedman received a waiver and continued buying Goldman stock.
As for JP Morgan Chase, its chief executive officer, Jamie Dimon, was on the New York Fed board when the company got $29 billion in emergency loans. In addition, Dimon was able to secure approval from the New York Fed for an 18-month exemption...   (Washington Examiner)
President Obama is chummy with these crony crapitalists and he's OK with them using taxpayer money as their personal stash.  President Paul would put a stop to it.

36 comments:

Ducky's here said...

End foreign aid? You really think we'll shut off the welfare checks to Israel? Won't happen. There are always exceptions to these overarching ideas.

He'd tame the Wall St. casino? It's pretty to think so.

Z said...

I like him more each time I hear him but I also, each time I see him, think "there's no way Americans will elect this guy as President."
Sadly, many Americans have a huge thing for LOOKS; tall guys win (statistically proven), younger guys are more appealing.......gad, imagine a debate with Obama and Paul on the same stage? Practically, I'd love to see Paul give it to Obama, but......

Also, I happened to listen to Levin on the radio yesterday and people call in, really smart callers, and they say things like "I'll vote for ANY Republican against Obama BUT Ron Paul because he'd put us on the fastest track to ruin."
That kind of took my breath away; I hadn't heard people THAT down on him.

I'm reminded of Obama's pal James A Johnson, who's worth a fortune now and who I believe made his money from actions similar to those described in your Washington Examiner article.

conservativesonfire said...

I don't know if he can win, but I do know that he is exactly what our country needs right now. He does attract the Nazis and anti-Semites because he wants to end all foreign aid, including to Israel. Although I do think we should support a strategic ally like Israel, I will continue to support Ron Paul for President.

Jarheads Blog said...

After hearing Paul say that Iran should be able to build nukes, I'd say he's even more dangerous Obama. He's the only candidate that would make me stay home in 2012.
Who are crazier: him or the people who want to vote for him?

Jersey McJones said...

It's a fun little thought exercise, but...

1. Paul could never win the nomination.

2. Paul could never win the general election.

3. The vast majority of Paul's proposals would never happen.

JMJ

ecc102 said...

If I wasn't going for Cain, I would support Ron Paul.

Maybe they should join forces? Cain/Paul 2012? Or, when Mr. Cain wins the presidential election, perhaps he should appoint Ron Paul as, wait for it, Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

I like that. A lot.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more. I'll repeat what I said yesterday most of which echoes Dr. Paul's philosophy:

Anonymous said...

Rx for a happier, more prosperous American future:

1. Get out of the Middle East. Close our embassies there.

2. Let the bastards stew in their own juice. Hopefully they will kill each other off, if we don't interfere. [Dr. Paul would never say that, but I'm not running, so I'll say it for him.]

3. Start drilling so we can producing our own oil and then buy oil only from sources in the Western Hemisphere. Selling Western Oil to other parts of the world should strictly forbidden.

4. Stop foreign aid. Period!

5. Close our military bases abroad. How would we like it, if foreigners established a military presence in the USA?

6. Our excessive involvement with Israel -- a country whose interests are most emphatically NOT congruent with our own -- must cease. If Israel cannot stand on her own, she must must be allowed to go the way of all flesh. [Again, Dr. Paul would never say his, but I have no qualms about it. Some, someday must tell the truth. Use of the term "anti-Semite" to halt debate is the very root of Political-Correctness. NO ONE SHOULD BE HELD IMMUNE FROM CRITICISM.]

7. Put our own house in order, and stop trying to "fix" everyone else's problems.

8. Learn to live more economically. Better education [a vital topic details of which could fill volumes] would produce better values. Better values in turn would produce thrift. Thrift is a good part of the makings of a sane, productive, reasonably contented society.

9. Outlaw political agitation. Agitation is tantamount to treason, and should be treated accordingly. [And yes, I know about the First Amendment. If Saint Abraham Stinkin' -- one of the greatest mass murders in history -- could get away with jailing opposition, why shouldn't every president?]

10. Everyone everywhere should learn to mind his own business and stop trying to tell others what to do. [Respect the sovereignty of all nations -- even if they're hacking each other to pieces with machetes, and boiling their children in oil. How dare WE presume their rotten kids don't deserve it?]

~ FreeThinke

10/25/11 7:38 AM

Fuzzy Slippers said...

I'd rather see Ron Paul as president than either Perry or Romney. At least he's not a progressive like they are.

Anonymous said...

Z, is absolutely right by the way about Dr. Paul's image. He just doesn't look -- and especially doesn't sound -- like anyone the American public would think of as "presidential."

And that’s because most people either have lost -- or never had -- the power to think.

When someone my age looks at the popular culture -- something I try to avoid as much as possible -- the temptation to lapse into despair is very great. Shallowness, vanity, vulgarity, coarseness, cupidity, inanity, meretriciousness, short-sightedness, litigiousness, lewdness, and brutality have all become accepted as "new norms."

There are 882 channels on my TV, and 99% of what they offer steadily diminishes the intellectual capacities of our young people, corrupts their morals and poisons their souls.

It's disgusting and frightening, because it means our ability -- as a people -- to determine our own course has became so weakened as to be utterly ineffectual.

"In every government on earth is some trace of human weakness, some germ of corruption and degeneracy, which cunning will cultivate, and improve. Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe their minds must be improved to a certain degree." [emphasis added]

~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

Well, cunning long ago fostered corruption and degeneracy in a determined campaign to make sure our children’s minds not only have had little or no chance to improve, but were instead deliberately turned into mush.

Ron Paul is 76 years old. He’s ungainly. He has a high-pitched, old womanish sort of voice. He gesticulates wildly when he talks. He’s passionate. He’s sincere. He’s unguarded. Therefore, the majority of us -- because of the way we’ve been conditioned by a depraved entertainment industry and a corrupt news and information media -- cannot comprehend his message and, instead, see him merely as an object of ridicule.

To this we’ve come!

~ FreeThinke

Ducky's here said...

Perry's a progressive?

Fuzzy, thanks for reporting the election news from the planet Mongo.

Anonymous said...

Read the words of Evil Incarnate:

"Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property (that's you and your children) in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging.

By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency.




“Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living.

They will be our chattels (property) and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions.

Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading (Birth Certificate) to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, secured by their pledges.




“They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debts to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges.




“This will inevitably reap us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call "Social Insurance".

Without realizing it, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and we will employ the high office (presidency) of our dummy corporation (USA) to foment this plan against America."


[NOTE: Colonel Edward Mandell House is attributed with giving a very detailed outline of the plans to be implemented to enslave the American people. He stated this, in a private meeting with Woodrow Wilson - US president 1913 - 1921]

~ Submitted by FreeThinke

Mark Adams said...

I agree with Jersey on his first 2 of 3 points.

Sorry. But I like his domestic policy, despise his dangerous foreign policy.

His claim that we need a declaration of war, to go to war, based on the constitution, is moronic. Adams, Jefferson and Madison waged war without a declaration from congress.

Christopher - Conservative Perspective said...

No Dr. Demento for me as POTUS.

Too old, too unpredictable and honestly in my opinion dangerous should he hold that post.

What few allies we still hold would be left swinging in the wind to and including Israel and of course that works in reverse as well.

Keep him in congress TX or send him home but no Oval Office.

Anonymous said...

PLEASE don't agree with Jersey. It onlyencourages him. (:- o

The government we get is the government we deserve.

The masses are asses. The electorate have been "dumbed-down" to the point where they are nothing but the moral equivalent of sheep being led to the slaughter.

~ FreeThinke

Finntann said...

FT: "He stated this, in a private meeting with Woodrow Wilson - US president 1913 - 1921"

As you seem to have a transcript it wasn't a very private meeting, was it?

For me at least, the conspiracy of the ages is getting old, so are unattributed sources presented as authority and fact. Your opinion, and you are entitled to it, is yours and so is your right to speak out... but I must admit I'm beginning to simply scroll past your walls of text. If you are just venting, fine, but if you are actually attempting to persuade and educate, you are losing your audience.

On a more factual note (5) you obviously have no grasp of military strategy or of the value of those overseas bases.

Let me just put it simply, if you withdraw to within your borders, every battle you fight will be on your territory. Think (or Google) Maginot Line.

We may have too many, they may be in the wrong places, but advocating withdrawl into a 'Fortress America' is strategically suicide.

Leticia said...

Great points on Ron Paul, I have never even given him a second glance since I have been rooting for Cain. I still believe Cain can do a good job,just wish he would stop this 9-9-9 plan, that's my only problem with him.

Jersey McJones said...

FT,

"Outlaw political agitation. Agitation is tantamount to treason, and should be treated accordingly."

Well, that settles it, FT, you are a fascist.

JMJ

Trestin said...

Right on Silver.

"End foreign aid? You really think we'll shut off the welfare checks to Israel? Won't happen. There are always exceptions to these overarching ideas."

Ducky,
You are absolutely correct. Politics is about compromise and it is doubtful that all of Paul's agenda will be implemented. But the compromises he will have to make will be far better than someone like Mittens.

Z said...

Leticia "I still believe Cain can do a good job,just wish he would stop this 9-9-9 plan, that's my only problem with him."

No worries...999 can't happen; but at least SOMEBODY's thinking.
And I had to laugh at the GOP hacks who slammed him for backtracking on some of it...I think they're more scared of Herman Cain than the Left is.

Jersey, I can't imagine your 3 surmisals (which I agree with) needed THAT much exercise!

I sure do like those points SF lists in his post....can't argue with a one.

Anonymous said...

PART ONE

I don't think I ever have had an "audience," Fintann. You've made your feelings on this subject plain from the outset. I have not been aiming my remarks particularly at you.

For good or for ill people always have -- and always will -- believe what they want to believe.

I may be no different from anyone else in that regard, but it says in the Bible (please don't ask me to quote chapter and verse -- that's your department ;-)

"By their fruits shall ye know them."

If you want to believe the many quotations I cite are all made up out of whole cloth to promote some lunatic's "agenda" that's fine, but from the way things have been shaping up ever since I became politically aware (back in the mid-Sixties), the idea that our declining fortunes and obvious cultural degeneration have been deliberately "shaped" by guiding hands behind the scenes seems self-evident to me.

Like the obvious leftward bias of the press, that may be hard to prove in a legalistic sense, but like pornography -- for which no one has ever seemed to find a satisfactory legal definition -- sensible people certainly know it when they see it.

I don't believe that cultural trends happen purely by accident. Earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, droughts yes. Man made events no.

And where there's smoke, you may be sure there's a fire nearby.

~ FreeThinke

(CONTINUED)

Anonymous said...

PART TWO

May I take it that you are among the many who have dismissed Glenn Beck as some sort of fatuous crank who doesn't know what he's talking about?

I dislike Beck's quasi-hysterical manner, but have to say I was amazed to hear him expand publicly on things I, myself, have perceived for many years. I am not one of his later day adherents. I probably could have written the script for may of his presentations long before he ever though of making them.

Being old, which I now am, gives no one a claim to virtue and adds nothing to anyone's IQ, but having been an eyewitness to post-WWII American history and well-acquainted with any number of intelligent, aware people born in the nineteenth century, some of whom had firsthand recollections of the after-effects of the Civil War, I feel competent to discuss the hideous changes that have occurred since I was young with some authority, and to echo thoughts, feelings, perceptions -- and evidence -- from former times that cannot be captured in statistics.

You like to quote statistics. I've praised you for it an number of times. I have no idea where or how you find all that information, but it's obvious you have a veritable arsenal of it at your fingertips.

You also like to skewer other posters with whom you disagree and puncture their balloons. Fine with me.

I like to write. And I do, indeed have an arsenal of quotations I've collected from various sources over the past several years, but most of my "walls of prose" are my own.

How could I possibly know whether Bartlett's and others got it right without bothering to check all the letters, diaries, autobiographies, historical parchments sheepskins, hieroglyphics and old newspaper clippings for myself?

The idea that anyone should be expected to do that in an informal venue such as this is absurd.

To assume that anything that can't be weighed, measured, put in a box, stored in a jar, hung in a closet, cooked and eaten, or folded and put into a drawer is unreal is even more absurd. The positive things that count most in human existence -- i.e. affection, truth, principle, integrity, loyalty, patience, curiosity, perseverance, decency, morality, intelligence, creativity, ingenuity, compassion, etc. -- are all intangible, unquantifiable, and yet without them life would be impossibly unpleasant and probably unendurable.

To deal only with tangibility and to confine oneself solely to proven facts, and narrow, legalistic definitions may have some claim to legitimacy, but it is Pharisaical in nature, and therefore incompatible with matters of cosmic, eternal and profound significance.

Man does not live by bread alone."

Sorry if I bore you, but I'm not out to charm, please, beguile or entertain anyone. I'm here to share insights and tell what-I-believe-to-be the truth insofar as I am able to see it, and if possible to provoke curiosity.

I certainly don't have all the answers, but then neither do you.

Please remember this: Everything our species has accomplished started with a flash of insight -- a "vision" if you will. The spark of creative genius is rarely ignited by mastery of an established set of "facts," although it certainly may come from looking at such data in a new way.

There's room for both Left-brain AND Right-brain types. both may seemingly be at odds, but both are necessary to ensure a smoothly functioning society that grows develops in a healthy manner.

~ FreeThinke

Jersey McJones said...

"And where there's smoke, you may be sure there's a fire nearby."

Or just a smoke bomb.

JMJ

Ducky's here said...

3. Start drilling so we can producing our own oil and then buy oil only from sources in the Western Hemisphere. Selling Western Oil to other parts of the world should strictly forbidden.

--------

A fascinating conception of the functioning of the oil market.

Now does this mean we nationalize the majors in order to implement this scheme, Freethinker?

Anonymous said...

I see Blogger is back to it's old dirty tricks.

PART TWO did get posted. I saw it with my own two eyes, and now it's disappeared.

It's always sad when a work of profound genius is lost to Posterity. ;-)

This kind of thing used to happen at GeeeeeZ all the time. Too bad the disease seems to have spread.

Oh well ... chalk anther one up for the Cyberdemons.

~ FreeThinke

Finntann said...

"don't think I ever have had an "audience," Fintann"

Obviously if you are posting here and people are responding you have an audience, either that or you just love the clickety clack of your keyboard, in which case a random ASCII string would be just as effective... might even make more sense ;)

The point is this: without a verifiable, reputable, attributable source, your quotes are nothing more than "blah blah blah".

I've googled your quotes and while they come up often, they come up on sites such as:

Modernfeudalserf
Worldfreemansociety
Revolution2012
Prisonplanet
Thetruthergirls
Globalistagenda

They are not reputable academic sites, nor are they original sources.

However, a search of the papers of Edward M. House for keyphrases such as "biological property", "They will be our chattels", or "bills of lading" or even "Birth Certificates" return no matches.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=genpub;idno=ACL9380.0001.001

Nor was I able to find any mention among the papers of Woodrow Wilson.

Your quote is no more valid than mine:

In 1962 John F Kennedy in conversations with the martian ambassador "In order to assure peace between the peoples of our planets we, the United States Government will provide a limited number of humans for use as a food source to the great Martian Empire." This accounts for the failure of the missing persons rate to decline, despite the money and police resources dedicated to it.

There, it's on the internet it must be true.

My assertion of Kennedy's conversation with the Martian ambassador are as valid as yours regarding Edward House.

"And where there's smoke, you may be sure there's a fire nearby."

What's the corollary? Where there is a quote there must be truth?

Faith is an aspect of religion, it should not be expected in politics.

Do you honestly want to quote Matthew 7:16 to me in this discussion when Matthew 7:15 warns "Beware of false prophets"?
Not that any of it has relevance to this discussion, but it's easy and fun, so I'll go on:

Exodus 20:16 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

Leviticus 19:16 Do not go about spreading slander among your people

Psalm 34:13 Keep your tongue from evil and your lips from speaking lies.

Or how about Matthew 12:36?

But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

Just saying... without an attributable source it is nothing more than gossip.

Fredd said...

Ron Paul is the Republican version of a Utopian. Practicality is not his schtick.

His Monroe Doctrine adherance cannot protect us in these dangerous times. And his libertarian rants sound good on paper, but will never resonate with the living, breathing American public. As flawed as we all are.
Sorry, Ron.

And Z is right. Looks are everything, and Ron is just too old and feeble looking to pass muster as a viable GOP candidate.

As practical as all of that sounds, I live in Realville, too.

Anonymous said...

" ... If you are true, but not in the same truth with me, cleave to your companions; I will seek my own. I do this not selfishly, but humbly and truly. It is alike your interest, and mine, and all men's, however long we have dwelt in lies, to live in truth. ..."

~ Ralph Waldo Emerson - On Self-Reliance

Your ability, Finntann, to examine thoroughly and assimilate vast areas of data with total comprehension in what-seems-like a matter of minutes is awe-inspiring.

You and I obviously work on different operating systems. There is no possible way I could ever hope to match your astonishing facility in the process of data retrieval.

I'm not sure, however, that I should accept your assessment of various sources (none of which I consulted by the the way -- not did I consult Alex Jones) as not being reputable academic sites.

I don't regard academia as "reputable" or reliable any more than I regard The New York Times, The Washington Post, The L.A. Times, The Boston Globe, The New Yorker Magazine, The Nation, The Huffington Post, MoveOn.org, The Daily Kos or MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, and FOX -- or Ducky and Bd for that matter -- as reputable, reliable disseminators of honest, untainted, unexpurgated information.

Before I let this go for tonight, I would urge you to examine this link:

http://www.americanthinker.com/archived-articles/../2007/02/cultural_marxism.html

Ducky dismissed it as shallow and filled with “boilerplate” a while back, and it infuriated and alienated liberal friends of mine. That ought to provide a pretty good recommendation, I should think.

Cheerio!

~ FreeThinke

PS: Since you are a positive genius at finding your way around the Cyber World is there any possibility my PART TWO might be retrieved from the dark dustbin to which it was removed? If so, I'd appreciate your help in getting it back. Thanks. - FT

Anonymous said...

Good morning, SilverFiddle!

Thank you for rescuing the lost postings from the SPAM filter.

It is frustrating to have your written material -- however inadequate or incompetent it might be -- disappear into thin air -- especially in the midst of a heated discussion.

Just for the record: When I said, "Where there's smoke there's fire" I was not referring only to the questioned quotation from Colonel House but to myriad quotations from many sources and many characters that indicate there's been "dirty work afoot" regarding the founding of the New World Order for the past hundred years.

The Wikipedia article on Colonel House -- whatever it may be worth -- indicates that at the very least he was one of Wilson's closest advisors, and in at the founding of the Federal Reserve -- definitely a "Progressive" if, perhaps, not an arch fiend, unless you conflate the two.

When I said I have no "audience," I meant, of course, that comments on the subject of the New World Order, copious though they sometimes be, stimulate little or no curiosity and receive little attention -- except the occasional dismissive retort. So, I have no following, nor do I seek one.

Sorry to belabor the issue, but when one's integrity has been called into question, one naturally feels a response is in order.

One of the great things about the sort of communication we enjoy in Cyberspace is the ability to skip over material that bores or displeases. No one is forced to read everything presented. No one is compelled to respond. No examinations are given. No grades are presented.

The freedom to be wrong in someone else's eyes -- even the freedom to make an ass of oneself on occasion -- is a blessed thing.

Long may it endure!

~ FreeThinke

Anonymous said...

Two interesting websites giving general information on Colonel Edward Mandell House. The first biographical, the second anti-Conspiracy Theorists.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Colonel_House

http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/aier_on_conspiracy_04.html


Funny! All one has to do is tell the truth and attach “conspiracy theory” or “conspiracy literature” to it, and immediately the truth becomes throughly discredited. It’s very like the application of the term “anti-Semite, or “anti-Semitic” to any remark you wish not to be taken seriously or to be regarded as both wicked and incredible.

Extensive quotes from these two sites were again dumped into the Spam folder. How inconvenient for all concerned!

~ FreeThinke

Anonymous said...

”In 1912 House published anonymously a novel Philip Dru: Administrator, in which the title character leads the democratic western U.S. in a civil war against the plutocratic East, and becomes the dictator of America. Dru as dictator imposes a series of reforms that resemble the Bull Moose platform of 1912; the novel displays contempt for democratic processes, a taste for violence, and admiration for benevolent authoritarianism. No one suspected House was the author, but in his secret diary House repeatedly related the day's events to passages in the novel.”

http://www.conservapedia.com/Colonel_House

... The chief figures at this clandestine gathering were: Senator Nelson Aldrich (Nelson Rockefeller's namesake), who was then the head of the National Monetary Commission; Frank Vanderlip, president of the National City Bank of New York; Henry P Davison, senior partner of J. P Morgan Company; Charles D. Norton, president of the First National Bank of New York; Paul Warburg of Kuhn, Loeb and Company (he was the principal author of the draft of the Federal Reserve bill); and Col. Edward Mandel House ....

Especially sinister implications are often drawn in conspiracy literature from the biographies of two of the participants. Paul Warburg, a Jew who emigrated to the United States from Germany in 1904, was the brother of Felix Warburg, of Kuhn and Loeb and of the international bankers Max and Fritz Warburg of Germany. Col. House, on the other hand, was a Texan "connected" to the London banking establishment by virtue of his father's Civil War exploits as a blockade runner for the Confederacy. But his greater notoriety derived from a novel he had written the year before Wilson was elected President. That novel, titled Philip Dru, Administrator, ostensibly endorsed "a detailed plan for the future government of the United States" which "would establish Socialism as dreamed by Karl Marx." In conspiracy literature, these men are condemned on the basis of these relationships. Admittedly, the relationships provided opportunity for scheming, but "nonbelievers" are not likely to be persuaded by such circumstantial evidence.

The Jekyll Island meeting was indeed convened in secret, but it did not remain a secret for long. And although the imagery of the supposed intrigues on Jekyll Island may be fully consistent with what would be expected of powerful personalities, there is no verifiable evidence that any activities at that meeting constituted conspiracy or fraud. Unquestionably, a draft of legislation ... for a U.S. central bank was drawn there; participants in the meeting subsequently acknowledged and celebrated their "achievement." For example, Frank Vanderlip recalled in his autobiography, "Our secret expedition to Jekyll Island was the occasion of the actual conception of what eventually became the Federal Reserve System. The essential points ... were all contained in the Federal Reserve Act as it was passed."

http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/aier_on_conspiracy_04.html

Anonymous said...

The full text of Philip Dru: Administrator is available online.

I'm not sure I have the stamina to read it, but I suspect the E.M. House quotation that caused such a ruckus may be in the novel, which is, after all, a work of fiction.

It might make interesting reading. Authors often reveal a great deal about themselves in poetry and fiction. I would dare say, even, that there is probably more truth in POETRY than in FICTION.

As everyone ought to know by now, facts and statistics can easily be manipulated to "prove" whatever a clever communicator wants them to prove. Poetry and fiction are not so easy to distort, because they provide glimpses into a writers very soul. BUTCHA GOTTA KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKIN' AT to see it.

~ FT

Anonymous said...

In case anyone is interested text to Phillip Dru: Administrator may be found here:

http://www.fullbooks.com/Philip-Dru-Administrator1.html

~ FT

Finntann said...

The cultural marxism article doesn't contain a lot I disagree with, in fact any individual assertation is undoubtedly true for one individual or group or another.

What I have yet to see sufficient evidence to convince me is of some mysterious cabal of puppeteers hiding behind the curtains and pulling the strings.

I think pretty much everything can be explained in terms of common people with commone ideas and common goals working together sometimes well, sometimes not to achieve specific objectives.

I found the Phillip Dru novel last night also, tried a few text searches to see if the quote was from there and didn't get any. I perused it fairly quickly and rapidly came to the conclusion I wasn't interested in reading it.

I also didn't mean to imply that all academic sources were reputable, simply that they generally (at least the better ones) follow rules and attribute sources. Don't get me wrong their are plenty of bad academics out there. Generally I try and trace information back to what I would consider a reputable source otherwise it is simply anecdotal.

You probably wouldn't be surprised that a a site like wikipedia often pulls quoutes out of context to support the authors point, and if you trace back to the source you'll find the source was saying something completely contradictory to the wiki article.

Oh, and would you be surprised to know that House wasn't really a Colonel and had no military experience? He was a cotton farmer and was made an honorary Colonel in the Texas militia for supporting Governor James Hogg's reelection victory.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1051.html

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

House was quite a character. Came from money, apparently. Went to northeastern prep schools and attended Cornell, but his father's death ended his college career, because he had to go home to administer the affairs of the family plantation.

House was successful. Sold the family business, and became hungry for power and influence. Got very close to Wilson, Kind of screwed up diplomatic relations regarding WWI. Lost Wilson's confidence. Never really had the influence he imagined he had -- or so I read.

It looks as though he really was in on the planning sessions that created the Fed.

I don't like the word "conspiracy." You said, "... people with common ideas and common goals working together ... to achieve specific objectives."

I like that way of describing it much better. It better reflects the way I feel about it.

The second article I cited
http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/aier_on_conspiracy_04.html

was not supportive of the Fed at all, but was quick to distance itself from "conspiracy literature." It may just be a matter of semantics. There was nothing "secret" about the creation of the Fed, but the planning sessions involved a number of "elites" and one can't help but believe they worked matters out to their advantage and not ours.

That congress approved the move does little to convince me that the nation was not hoodwinked or flimflammed into doing something not in the best interests of all the people. After all stuff like that happens every day in Washington, DC.

I'd like to find where that questionable House quote originated, but it's not easy to do. I do thank you for pointing out my error in blithely passing it on just because it seemed plausible.

I have collected a large number of NWO quotations. I don't believe that ALL of them could be spurious. It would make quite a project to trace each one back to its point of origin.

The influence of the Frankfurt School, who was in turn influenced by Gramsci, has been profound. I don't know that one could properly call it a conspiracy or not, but it would be hard to deny the insidious and harmful influence those crafty Cultural Marxists have had on academic life and pop culture.

I believe the Franklfurters released a corrosive intellectual and spiritual poison into the mainstream of American thinking. We've been suffering mightily from its effects for several decades. To say it wasn't planned would, I think, be naive.

Interesting to learn that House's true name was HUIS -- Dutch, I believe. Maybe not an evil conspirator, but certainly not a very pleasant or trustworthy individual either.

I wish you could give me lessons in how to do research more efficiently. If you care to share your secrets, I'm all ears.

Regards,

~ FreeThinke

Finntann said...

There are many NWO quotes that are attributable, David Rockerfeller springs to mind.

But Hey, just because you're rich doesn't mean you're not a crackpot.

Cheers!

MK said...

I don't agree that Paul is right for America, however he'll definitely be way better than numbnuts barak obama.

And i mean way, way better than hussein. Now that i think about it, obama is like one of those idiots at the occupy protests, same arrogant, parasitical mentality, just a bit more polished and speaks well.