Agreed...every person and company should be free to speak and advertise as they see fit, without worrying about campaigns of boycott and media manipulation. This goes for Chi-Fil-A, Target, JC Penneys, Lowes, etc....
The left gets pretty unhinged when we on the right don't roll over and play dead every time they throw their stupid and childish insults at us don’t they! These creations who are Obama fanatics not only drink his koolaide and believe his lies, but they attack you if you don’t. And this is exactly why we have this controversy over at Chick-Fil-A. It’s the same mentality. If you don’t believe their crapola, then ban it, boycotting them or destroy them! What happened to free speech in America? I know that Obama is trying his damnest to destroy the Constitution, has he already destroyed the First Amendment? I still can remember the days in America when you were able to speak your mind, have those days gone as well? Sorry, but I’m not ready to just ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD for this bunch.
@Debonair - Why are you acting as if the left is the only actor in this play? The other side of the marriage debate engages in the same tactics
Maybe it's because that the way that I see it. It seems to “ME” that the left very seldom seems to understand and exercise the concept of tolerance, they rather use the Boycott and or Picket line or the letters to the sponsors to get their way. I don’t recall any republican effort of throw a talk show host off the air and care him to lose his job, or any letter writing campaigns such as they did to Rush or Glenn Beck And we see it now with this OUTRAGEOUS LEFTIST campaign AGAINST Chick-Fil-A by Christine Quinn, a New York City CouncilWomen, who not only wants Chick-Fil-A out of New York but to leave New York University's Campus, and who has DEMANDED CEO Cathy to apologize for his remarks.! Look to me like the Left has become the the PC police. Let the customers decide where they chose to buy their products not the PC Police.
It's look to me like our system worked just fine. The far left and some elected officials over played their hand (again) and this time the far right, right, middle and left woke up and said "you are wrong". There is quite a bit of consensus. The reactiuon was swift and paves the way for similar reaction next time there is goofy actions from the extremes (from either side). It is a good reminder that the left and right fringes speak the loudest but are a relatively small percentage of thoughtful likely voters.
@Debonair - I might recommend studying up on the numerous campaigns of boycott and attempts at public influence aimed against companies that decided to be inclusive of differing sexual orientations. Those examples really aren't difficult to find, though the 'liberal' media doesn't tend to cover them well.
Political correctness exists on both sides of the spectrum...one just has to be open to seeing past their ideological filter.
BTW...I'm not certain the bold and caps really helps illustrate your point.
KP: "...and this time the far right, right, middle and left woke up and said "you are wrong". There is quite a bit of consensus. The reaction was swift and paves the way for similar reaction next time there is goofy actions from the extremes..."
@Titan - I think you are confusing the act of discrimination towards customers with the dynamics of marketing and collaboration. Any company has the right to engage or not engage in promotional campaigns with other corporations. Henson Productions ended their arrangement with Chik-Fil-A.
If you're not happy with Henson Productions, then you are not bound to spend any money on their products.....just as you were able to do likewise to Kraft, Starbucks, JC Penney, Target, Best Buy, Heinz, the Salvation Army...or any number of other businesses used in this battle of the alleged 'culture war'.
Well, how do you think it would be received if the president of a company -- ANY company -- let it be known that he regarded the Jews as "Christ Killers?"
THINK.
Don't REACT.
And please don't commit the usual dodge by misconstruing the hypothetical question as "anti-Semitic. just DON'T.
FT, but only Christians who don't truly understand their faith ever consider Jews "Christ Killers" (plus, the Romans actually did the killing and the cheering on of the verdict which did a lot in precipitating the verdict)
But, if a Christian owner was dumb and hateful enough to say that, I think he'd be attacked by Christians.
Mr. Cathy only said what HE PREFERS. That's all. They hire gays, they serve gays...why wouldn't they? It's a people business.
SF, thanks for the 'gracias'...I'll let Mustang know.
By the way, everyone; I haven't seen any pictures or articles about hundreds of LGBT people participating in the KISS IN that was scheduled for yesterday....have you? I'm curious.
You are the confused one. Chick- fil-A is a customer being refused a product. They aren't refusing to purchase it.
Henson Productions is discrimnating against their customers. Like lunch counters in the South refusing to serve coloured people, Henson refuses to serve straight people.
The Left thinks it can win a trade war with the right.
Henson is 10x more vulnerable than Chick-Fil-A to a boycott. Straight moms and dads buy 98% of HIS product. If there are lessons to be taught of examples to be made... Henson is it.
...and it is a trade war. "Business decision" is merely liberal code for enforcing their PC agenda. Give in now, and Chick-Fil-A will merely be the FIRST is a long series of "punitive" business decisions made against conservative businesses.
And while we're at it, lets get the Corporation for Public Broadcasting to take Gay Elmo OFF the air... permanently.
@Titan - Sure......ending a promotional and marketing relationship is EXACTLY like not serving blacks at the lunch counter. Apparently, the free market is only supported by you when it's convenient for your ideological agenda.
I support the free market ALL the time. All I'm doing is encouraging a tit-for-tat application of the "boycott" weapon. Gays have started a trade war. Either respond now, or surrender.
Henson is no longer serving the "entire" American community... he has chosen a partisan political side. It's ENTIRELY his right. And its ENTIRELY within ours, NOT to let him get away with it.
Chick-Fil-A openly serves everyone. Jim Henson Productions openly does NOT.
I just listened to the Conan video.....why, I don't know. But, did he say that Chick-Fil-A "came out against homosexuality?" Am I missing something? That's not quite true...but it's how the silliness starts, isn't it.
By the way, what is a waffle fry?? Or are they bad fries and I'm hearing AWFUL FRIES? :-)
STDs have nothing to do with sexual orientation ........so your example is moot unless you advocate criminalization against anyone who contracts the crabs.
Somebody tell Debonair (huh?) that the left was completely against Rahm and Mumbles Menino right up to the dreaded ACLU which stated this was a gross interference with speech.
By the way, everyone; I haven't seen any pictures or articles about hundreds of LGBT people participating in the KISS IN that was scheduled for yesterday....have you? I'm curious.
----- It's on several sites. Wasn't much of a deal, try Huffingtonpost.
Tell that to all the gay men who died of AIDS in the 80s.
The only reason why sexual promiscuity is so culturally prevalent today is because of the discovery of penicillin and CURES for the vast majority of STDs still prevalent.
But then, disease RESISTANT stains are constantly evolving, ESPECIALLY amongst the sexually aberents/deviants who flaunt the laws of "nature" for personal pleasure.
It is clear that there are serious medical consequences to same-sex behavior. Identification with a GLB community appears to lead to an increase in promiscuity, which in turn leads to a myriad of Sexually Transmitted Diseases and even early death. A compassionate response to requests for social approval and recognition of GLB relationships is not to assure gays and lesbians that homosexual relationships are just like heterosexual ones, but to point out the health risks of gay sex and promiscuity. Approving same-sex relationships is detrimental to employers, employees and society in general.
As long as a business practices and maintains non discriminatory hiring and personnel practices and serves the public regardless of sexual, religious, or political affiliation and merts all its tax and other legal obligations the founders personal beliefs are irrelevant and of no importance.
Of course the wackodoodles on the far left and the far right simple are unable to understand the basic principles that are of importance here. Political gain and one up-man-ship, as well as manipulation is all is important to them.
You seem to have both a conveniently recent view of history and a penchant for endorsing using the power of the state to restrict and regulate individual consensual behavior............comrade.
You seem to have both a conveniently recent view of history...
I have a very, VERY long view of history. That's what makes your comment so funny. Especially THIS part...
"using the power of the state to restrict and regulate individual consensual behavior."
Especially since Constitutional Democracies and corresponding individual non-violable sexual orientation based rights are a very, VERY recent historical development
There it is........the old standby; when logic fails, frame the issue of sexual orientation as germane to only one gender and only one sexual act. Here's my shocked face......
Tell me Titan......since it seems apparent that you have little desire to treat your fellow citizens with equality......based on their sexual orientation alone.....what is your 'remedy'? What restrictions and regulations do you impose on homosexuals that is not hypocritical -and allows you to pretend that you live on a culture that values individual liberty?
I no longer criminalize their behaviour... and they need to be happy with that. I also refuse to pay their medical expenses... let them pay to cure their OWN infections.
@Shaw, that link is disturbing. Wouldn't it be more accurate and less inflammatory to say that the tweets in the link from your header were from homophobes and bigots rather than chik fli a supporters? As somebody who went to chik fil a it seems unfair. It's like calling conservatives racist.
The problem is not that someone was able to cull a number of objectionable tweets from what were undoubtedly thousands, the problem is that you are trying to use them to tar all of us with the same brush.
@Shaw Like I said the hate is disturbing. Most everyone on the left, middle and right would agree.
However, because a relatively small group of haters who say they support chik fil a and found an outlet where some one might hear their hate, doesn't mean chik fil a supporters are haters, bigots or homophobes.
That is an important distinction for 98% of the left, middle and right that cannot relate to that kind thought process.
We can all do our fair share to point out that haters don't represent the far left or far right, let alone the rest of us in between.
@Steve << Chick is giving to legislators that support anti-gay legislation, so you are supporting the anti-gay agenda. >>
The world is a complicated place and finacial dealings are well dispersed in our economy across all sorts of political lines. Some of Obama's staff are invested in Bain. Why is the Democratic Covention beinh held in South Carolina, which voted down gay marriage legislation. We could both go on and on.
@Steve << Chick is giving to legislators that support anti-gay legislation, so you are supporting the anti-gay agenda. >>
I have posted this more than once already.
I made it very clear that I went to Chik Fil A because:
1) I was protesting Rahm's and similar comments of elected officials
2) the local franchise owner , his family and all the employees don't deserve financial repercussions any more than gays deserve reprecussions of any sort from anyone.
Because I buy gasoline in America doesn't mean that I support the stoning of gays in the middle east.
I believe my stance is consistent and fair and does allows me to support both local small business and gay rights.
You have a choice. The profit they make from your purchase, is going to an anti-gay agenda. Not patronizing a business, is a traditional method of protesting a business, for what ever reason. I stopped shopping at Target because they kicked the Salvation Army off their steps. Why go to a chicken restaurant to protest what a politician said? Go to their office and protest them. High finance is available to those who want to make sure their money does not go to causes they disagree with. Specific investment vehicles are set up so they don't invest in oil (example) or any other business you do not want to give your money to.
<< Why go to a chicken restaurant to protest what a politician said? >>
Because my action was immediate and higher profile. It was nationwide, just as the boycott of chik fil a was intended to be nationwide. I got the biggest bang for my buck protesting Rahm. If I had not gone I may have been seen as supporting Rahm. That choice was unacceptable. As well, I wanted my money to go into the pocket of the locals working at that store.
I understand why you are no longer a customer at Target. Do you understand why I went to chik fil a for the first time in my life? If not, I can repost it again.
"The problem is not that someone was able to cull a number of objectionable tweets from what were undoubtedly thousands, the problem is that you are trying to use them to tar all of us with the same brush."
Good that you noticed that. It's what Silverfiddle does when some liberals act stupidly:
Hateful, Intolerant Liberals Attack Chick-Fil-A
I'm a Liberal who's never heard of Chik fil A until this tempest in a gizzard, but apparently I've attacked them.
And this from SF:
"But a dark presence overshadows that marketplace of ideas. It is the noxious, pustule-covered presence of the doctrinaire, dogmatic, un-liberal left."
So according to SF, the "un-liberal left is an obnoxious, pustule-covered presence.
But when I point out the gay bashing fest of the Chik fil A supporters, I'm tarring the right?
SF: "So who’s intolerant and hateful? It sure as hell ain’t the Christian Right. It is the noisy, illiberal left."
We are getting closer, Steve. In deference, I am going to ride my bike to work tomorrow (no gas used) and make myself a chicken sandwich from the chicken I raised in my backyard. Wait, is killing my chicken cruel and unusal? what do I do about PETA :-)
Well I can here in your tone that you are not serious, so continue to be used by the likes of Huckabee in his anti-gay agenda and by all means buy your chicken a Chickflik.
Steve: "You have many other choices where to buy your gas, and yes the profit they make from you allows them to continue the mistreatment of those people."
These Chick-fil-A threads are enough to take away the appetite of decent, kindhearted, fair-minded individuals on both sides of the aisle.
EVERYBODY involved is WRONG. PERIOD!
The entire brouhaha has been a childish, ill-tempered WASTE of TIME and ENERGY.
Have you seen a picture of Mr. Cathy? He and Richard Viguery must be identical twins who were separated at birth. The resemblance is uncanny.
Like him or not Mr. Cathy is perfectly within his rights to express his opinion without fear of censure or censorshit. If he is so opaque and insensitive as not realize -- or care -- that his opinions may be considered hurtful and therefore inflammatory, it's STILL his right to express them. Personally, if I had been in his shoes, I would have kept my thoughts to myself. It's MY considered opinion that it's never a good idea to stick your fork in an electrical socket -- except when posting on blogs, of course. ;-)
Imbeciles like Menino, besides being mentally deficient and morally challenged, are out of order and out of bounds. Civic "leaders" have NO right to throw their weight around in an attempt to exercise RESTRAINT of TRADE on the basis of their personal feelings and moral preferences.
Let's Go Berserk Together has been equally stupid in doing the usual leftist thing of staging a massive over-reaction to something that is not, never has been and should not be considered an "offense" in an attempt to USE a PHONY, MANUFACTURED CRISIS to gain even more political leverage.
I'm glad their effort backfired, but it's too bad anyone gave them "a good excuse" for staging one of their disgusting "insurgencies."
Really smart people (a very tiny minority, I fear) have chosen to ignore this Media Monster and dismiss it for what it is -- an EMBARRASSINGLY STUPID WASTE of TIME.
I do indeed, and you know what mine was. We're letting the lunatic fringe on both sides drive the conversation and instead of the remainder of us seeking positions that the vast majority of us can support, rush to the barricades to defend them. That way lies madness.
Steve. The time stamp at the bottom of comments is Mountain Standard Time, thus when it reads 10:27 pm it's past midnight on the east coast. Ergo you should draw no other inference from the lack of a response than the possibility that I may well be asleep.
Thank you, Viburnum, for neatly affirming the evaluation I made of this tiresome issue in my last comment without saying so directly.
As far as "Steverino" may be concerned, I can't see any value in responding to the noxious fumes that emanate from sidewalk sundaes -- uncouth deposits with which by all accounts it is always best to avoid contact whenever possible.
Duck and refuse to answer a direct question, and then of course the inevitable insults: " I can't see any value in responding to the noxious fumes that emanate from sidewalk sundaes" You guys are so predictable with your hate.
I did and was called names and insulted by you and most of your minions. I see no reason to treat you nice when you treated me like shit. Try your own advice.
Steve: They why don't you quit wasting your time and everyone else's and just go. Go to HuffPo, Democrat Underground, Crooks and Liars.
You'll be with your own kind there.
We get your point. You aver that eating at Chick-Fil-A is tantamount to supporting an anti-gay agenda.
KP gave a sound response:
I made it very clear that I went to Chik Fil A because:
1) I was protesting Rahm's and similar comments of elected officials
2) the local franchise owner , his family and all the employees don't deserve financial repercussions any more than gays deserve reprecussions of any sort from anyone.
Because I buy gasoline in America doesn't mean that I support the stoning of gays in the middle east.
I believe my stance is consistent and fair and does allows me to support both local small business and gay rights.
Just wondering why if you or KP claim you are not against gays would give your money (buy CHICK) knowing that company donates (part of the money you gave them) supports anti-gay legislation? A different question than why you went to the anti-gay rally at that business. One can go, and not buy. One could protest what a politician says, by protesting at the politicians office, not some chicken joint. What's to protest? No official has denied CHICK anything. Just trying to understand your hypocrisy. I like to be prove correct, so I come here put up with your insults which I expect and you never disappoint. I come here to get non answers which I expect and you never disappoint. I come here to help you boost your comment count which is always lower when I do not comment. I come here to read the deep hate towards liberals which I really could not believe until I experienced it here. I learn a lot about negativity and hate visiting your blog.
Going to the Chick-Fil-A near my house was much easier, and more pleasant, that attempting to go register my displeasure with the un-constitutional, un-American statists in Crime Capital Chicago, Bean Town and San Fran Sicko.
<< Just wondering why if you or KP claim you are not against gays would give your money (buy CHICK) knowing that company donates (part of the money you gave them) supports anti-gay legislation? >>
Steve, please stop mischaracterizing me. In an effort to use both of our time efficiently, please read my post(s) carefully.
I do not support anti-gay legislation. I didn't spend a dime the one and only day I have ever been to chik fil a. I went to show support to local business and oppose Rahm and other elected officials who were dead wrong on an issue. I talked with people in line, I called and offered moral support to a young worker who answered the phone (like the young gal verbally abused by Adam Smith on the video tape at youtube) and I wrote about my experience here while being clear I support gay rights.
I posted those thoughts here on more than one thread:
"I strongly favor gay rights but am disheartened by left leaning political threats. 8/1/12 9:42 AM”
“This doesn't count the people like myself who came to support Chik Fil A (the local business entity) or oppose comments by those similar to Menino and Rham but could not stay 8/1/12 3:27 PM >>
And here at Shaw’s site:
August 1, 2012 9:15 PM
I have been supporting gay rights in every way imaginable for the last fourty years.
In 1972, as a teenager I stepped into a fist fight when two guys were beating on my girlfriends brother because he was gay and had a shag haircut. I didn't stand by and then say I shoulda or coulda ...
When I opened my office one of my patients was gay and asked me to donate my time as a judge at his event's beauty pageant for cross dressers. My wife and I went and had a nice evening.
I have donated time and money at different dinners, concerts, talent shoes, to bands and numerous other events from the 1970s up until now.
You are mistaken about me financially supporting anti-gay legislation and I am happy to be able to point that out to you. I have thoroughly answered your question(s).
I will continue to answer your future questions of me – if - you cease and desist your line of questioning and mischaracterization of me supporting anti-gay legislation.
No I didn't. Please calm down and take a deep breath before accusing me of censoring you. You're not caught in the spam filter either. I guess the Blooger Black Hole ate another one...
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God Bless Chick-fil-A,. To be able to think freely, and speak freely is a great human right.
Agreed...every person and company should be free to speak and advertise as they see fit, without worrying about campaigns of boycott and media manipulation. This goes for Chi-Fil-A, Target, JC Penneys, Lowes, etc....
The left gets pretty unhinged when we on the right don't roll over and play dead every time they throw their stupid and childish insults at us don’t they! These creations who are Obama fanatics not only drink his koolaide and believe his lies, but they attack you if you don’t. And this is exactly why we have this controversy over at Chick-Fil-A. It’s the same mentality. If you don’t believe their crapola, then ban it, boycotting them or destroy them!
What happened to free speech in America? I know that Obama is trying his damnest to destroy the Constitution, has he already destroyed the First Amendment?
I still can remember the days in America when you were able to speak your mind, have those days gone as well? Sorry, but I’m not ready to just ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD for this bunch.
Strike a blow for democracy - eat lousy fast food.
This has become comical.
@Debonair - Why are you acting as if the left is the only actor in this play? The other side of the marriage debate engages in the same tactics.
Constitutional Insurgent said...
@Debonair - Why are you acting as if the left is the only actor in this play? The other side of the marriage debate engages in the same tactics
Maybe it's because that the way that I see it. It seems to “ME” that the left very seldom seems to understand and exercise the concept of tolerance, they rather use the Boycott and or Picket line or the letters to the sponsors to get their way. I don’t recall any republican effort of throw a talk show host off the air and care him to lose his job, or any letter writing campaigns such as they did to Rush or Glenn Beck And we see it now with this OUTRAGEOUS LEFTIST campaign AGAINST Chick-Fil-A by Christine Quinn, a New York City CouncilWomen, who not only wants Chick-Fil-A out of New York but to leave New York University's Campus, and who has DEMANDED CEO Cathy to apologize for his remarks.!
Look to me like the Left has become the the PC police. Let the customers decide where they chose to buy their products not the PC Police.
It's look to me like our system worked just fine. The far left and some elected officials over played their hand (again) and this time the far right, right, middle and left woke up and said "you are wrong". There is quite a bit of consensus. The reactiuon was swift and paves the way for similar reaction next time there is goofy actions from the extremes (from either side). It is a good reminder that the left and right fringes speak the loudest but are a relatively small percentage of thoughtful likely voters.
@Debonair - I might recommend studying up on the numerous campaigns of boycott and attempts at public influence aimed against companies that decided to be inclusive of differing sexual orientations. Those examples really aren't difficult to find, though the 'liberal' media doesn't tend to cover them well.
Political correctness exists on both sides of the spectrum...one just has to be open to seeing past their ideological filter.
BTW...I'm not certain the bold and caps really helps illustrate your point.
Modern lessons in intolerance... Jim Henson PULLED his copyrights?
That settles it.
Jim Henson is the epitome of an intolerant chicken...
Isn't Henson Productions merely exercising their freedom as a private business entity, to market their product as they see fit?
Constitutional Insurgent said.
"BTW...I'm not certain the bold and caps really helps illustrate your point."
The bold was meant to separate your comment from mine, no other reason was intended, As for the Cap's, that was meant to accent/illustrate my point.
BTW, I'm thinking of a way to thank you for your advice., but I just can't find one
Fair enough - bold and caps usually indicate yelling or anger when used in online discussion.
As for thanking me....no need. I'm more than happy to help if you had missed the campaigns and boycotts from the right.
Constitutional Insurgent said...
Fair enough - bold and caps usually indicate yelling or anger when used in online discussion.
Neither were intended.
Jim Henson's demonstrated intolerance is even more egg-regious than Chick-Fil-As. Chick FilA doesnt refuse anyone their product... Jim Henson DOES.
Boycott Sesame Street!
Witholding access to products warrants witholding purchase.
KP: "...and this time the far right, right, middle and left woke up and said "you are wrong". There is quite a bit of consensus. The reaction was swift and paves the way for similar reaction next time there is goofy actions from the extremes..."
Hear! Hear!
@Titan - I think you are confusing the act of discrimination towards customers with the dynamics of marketing and collaboration. Any company has the right to engage or not engage in promotional campaigns with other corporations. Henson Productions ended their arrangement with Chik-Fil-A.
If you're not happy with Henson Productions, then you are not bound to spend any money on their products.....just as you were able to do likewise to Kraft, Starbucks, JC Penney, Target, Best Buy, Heinz, the Salvation Army...or any number of other businesses used in this battle of the alleged 'culture war'.
Forgetting politics and PC for a moment, that puppet skit on Conan was freaking funny!
Well, how do you think it would be received if the president of a company -- ANY company -- let it be known that he regarded the Jews as "Christ Killers?"
THINK.
Don't REACT.
And please don't commit the usual dodge by misconstruing the hypothetical question as "anti-Semitic. just DON'T.
Answer the QUESTION, please.
Thank you.
~ FreeThinke
FT, but only Christians who don't truly understand their faith ever consider Jews "Christ Killers" (plus, the Romans actually did the killing and the cheering on of the verdict which did a lot in precipitating the verdict)
But, if a Christian owner was dumb and hateful enough to say that, I think he'd be attacked by Christians.
Mr. Cathy only said what HE PREFERS. That's all. They hire gays, they serve gays...why wouldn't they? It's a people business.
SF, thanks for the 'gracias'...I'll let Mustang know.
By the way, everyone; I haven't seen any pictures or articles about hundreds of LGBT people participating in the KISS IN that was scheduled for yesterday....have you? I'm curious.
Z asked the question that I was going to ask. How was the turnout yesterday for the kiss ins?
You are the confused one. Chick- fil-A is a customer being refused a product. They aren't refusing to purchase it.
Henson Productions is discrimnating against their customers. Like lunch counters in the South refusing to serve coloured people, Henson refuses to serve straight people.
The Left thinks it can win a trade war with the right.
Henson is 10x more vulnerable than Chick-Fil-A to a boycott. Straight moms and dads buy 98% of HIS product. If there are lessons to be taught of examples to be made... Henson is it.
...and it is a trade war. "Business decision" is merely liberal code for enforcing their PC agenda. Give in now, and Chick-Fil-A will merely be the FIRST is a long series of "punitive" business decisions made against conservative businesses.
And while we're at it, lets get the Corporation for Public Broadcasting to take Gay Elmo OFF the air... permanently.
@Titan - Sure......ending a promotional and marketing relationship is EXACTLY like not serving blacks at the lunch counter. Apparently, the free market is only supported by you when it's convenient for your ideological agenda.
I support the free market ALL the time. All I'm doing is encouraging a tit-for-tat application of the "boycott" weapon. Gays have started a trade war. Either respond now, or surrender.
Henson is no longer serving the "entire" American community... he has chosen a partisan political side. It's ENTIRELY his right. And its ENTIRELY within ours, NOT to let him get away with it.
Chick-Fil-A openly serves everyone. Jim Henson Productions openly does NOT.
How did 'gays' start a trade war when boycotts from the right all predate the CFA issue?
Boycotts from the Left predate TIME itself. They INVENTED the lunch counter "sit-in".
The Henson-CFA relationship wasn't retail.....so your analogies fall rather flat.
Quit moving goal posts.....you stated gays have started a trade war. The boycotts of the right regarding sexual orientation predate the CFA issue.
BTW - Montsanto v UFW. It's a WEAPON... and pretending its NOT and that there IS no "war" is a recipe for failure.
The boycotts of the right regarding sexual orientation predate the CFA issue.
Why, because homosexuality was in FACT a CRIMINAL act up until Lawrence vs Texas?
And it wasn't considered criminal for NO reasons. Just ask anyone with AIDS today.
I just listened to the Conan video.....why, I don't know.
But, did he say that Chick-Fil-A "came out against homosexuality?"
Am I missing something? That's not quite true...but it's how the silliness starts, isn't it.
By the way, what is a waffle fry??
Or are they bad fries and I'm hearing AWFUL FRIES? :-)
They haven'tstarted a trade war? Who knew?
You may recollect that homosexuality was criminalize hundreds upon hundreds of year before Aids appeared. Nice try.
Besides......criminalizing the consensual activities of individuals is the arena of leftist thought. Good job!
You need to Google more, Z.
And CI, STD's have ALSO been around for hundreds of years before AIDS. AIDS is merely the latest "fruit" of aberrant seual practices.
STDs have nothing to do with sexual orientation ........so your example is moot unless you advocate criminalization against anyone who contracts the crabs.
Somebody tell Debonair (huh?) that the left was completely against Rahm and Mumbles Menino right up to the dreaded ACLU which stated this was a gross interference with speech.
Man you guys can whine.
By the way, everyone; I haven't seen any pictures or articles about hundreds of LGBT people participating in the KISS IN that was scheduled for yesterday....have you? I'm curious.
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It's on several sites. Wasn't much of a deal, try Huffingtonpost.
Ducky.......diatribes against either side aren't as effective unless you can paint the opposition as monolithic and coordinated in their actions.
STDs have nothing to do with sexual orientation
lol!
Tell that to all the gay men who died of AIDS in the 80s.
The only reason why sexual promiscuity is so culturally prevalent today is because of the discovery of penicillin and CURES for the vast majority of STDs still prevalent.
But then, disease RESISTANT stains are constantly evolving, ESPECIALLY amongst the sexually aberents/deviants who flaunt the laws of "nature" for personal pleasure.
Please edumacate yourself.
...at least read the "bottom line"
CONCLUSION
It is clear that there are serious medical consequences to same-sex behavior. Identification with a GLB community appears to lead to an increase in promiscuity, which in turn leads to a myriad of Sexually Transmitted Diseases and even early death. A compassionate response to requests for social approval and recognition of GLB relationships is not to assure gays and lesbians that homosexual relationships are just like heterosexual ones, but to point out the health risks of gay sex and promiscuity. Approving same-sex relationships is detrimental to employers, employees and society in general.
As long as a business practices and maintains non discriminatory hiring and personnel practices and serves the public regardless of sexual, religious, or political affiliation and merts all its tax and other legal obligations the founders personal beliefs are irrelevant and of no importance.
Of course the wackodoodles on the far left and the far right simple are unable to understand the basic principles that are of importance here. Political gain and one up-man-ship, as well as manipulation is all is important to them.
DISGUSTING at every level.
You seem to have both a conveniently recent view of history and a penchant for endorsing using the power of the state to restrict and regulate individual consensual behavior............comrade.
Doesn't sound like something Jim Henson is doing, RN USA...
The above was directed to Titan.......not Rational Nation.
You seem to have both a conveniently recent view of history...
I have a very, VERY long view of history. That's what makes your comment so funny. Especially THIS part...
"using the power of the state to restrict and regulate individual consensual behavior."
Especially since Constitutional Democracies and corresponding individual non-violable sexual orientation based rights are a very, VERY recent historical development
Well I suppose we could go back to burning witches too.......since intellectual evolutions seems to be a net negative for you.
Packing fudge being "good" for society is an intellectual evolution?
Who knew?
Are you sure it isn't an intellectual evolutional regression back to the bonobos?
There it is........the old standby; when logic fails, frame the issue of sexual orientation as germane to only one gender and only one sexual act. Here's my shocked face......
Tell me Titan......since it seems apparent that you have little desire to treat your fellow citizens with equality......based on their sexual orientation alone.....what is your 'remedy'? What restrictions and regulations do you impose on homosexuals that is not hypocritical -and allows you to pretend that you live on a culture that values individual liberty?
Chik Fil A supporters love their fowl sandwiches!
I no longer criminalize their behaviour... and they need to be happy with that. I also refuse to pay their medical expenses... let them pay to cure their OWN infections.
Gays want single payer health care for one reason only...
People with HIV can get 24 extra years of life from modern treatments — at a total cost of about $618,900.
I'm nobodies health care payer beyotch... how about gays respect MY right NOT to have to pay for THEIR mistakes.
Titan why not just post as Farmer John?
Because its much more fun to shake my *ss in your face, duckman.
@Shaw, that link is disturbing. Wouldn't it be more accurate and less inflammatory to say that the tweets in the link from your header were from homophobes and bigots rather than chik fli a supporters? As somebody who went to chik fil a it seems unfair. It's like calling conservatives racist.
Yes, it is true those tweets are by homophobes and bigots, but they also identify themselves as Chik fil A supporters.
The reason I posted it was to demonstrate how even a show of support can deteriorate into ugliness.
And to show that anti-gay bigotry is still part of our culture.
Shaw doesn't do "accurate."
Wrong, Huntington. Those tweeters actually do identify themselves as Chik A fil supporters. That is accurate.
KP: Just as disturbing was the "Olympics or Gay Porn?" pictorial.
What is that site? A Middle School project?
Here was my favorite quote from the "kiss in:"
Nearby, an older gent who refused to give his name was freaking out.
“That’s disgusting! That’s not why I came here,” he said.
“Why don’t they go to Sbarro and do that?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/chicken_lips_are_scarce_YjYD7gxNbcBd4WhzBWcJgN#ixzz22cOzi5VH
@ Shaw: And to show that anti-gay bigotry is still part of our culture.
No! You should get a Pulitzer for uncovering that bombshell...
Chick is giving to legislators that support anti-gay legislation, so you are supporting the anti-gay agenda.
@Shaw
The problem is not that someone was able to cull a number of objectionable tweets from what were undoubtedly thousands, the problem is that you are trying to use them to tar all of us with the same brush.
@Shaw Like I said the hate is disturbing. Most everyone on the left, middle and right would agree.
However, because a relatively small group of haters who say they support chik fil a and found an outlet where some one might hear their hate, doesn't mean chik fil a supporters are haters, bigots or homophobes.
That is an important distinction for 98% of the left, middle and right that cannot relate to that kind thought process.
We can all do our fair share to point out that haters don't represent the far left or far right, let alone the rest of us in between.
@Steve << Chick is giving to legislators that support anti-gay legislation, so you are supporting the anti-gay agenda. >>
The world is a complicated place and finacial dealings are well dispersed in our economy across all sorts of political lines. Some of Obama's staff are invested in Bain. Why is the Democratic Covention beinh held in South Carolina, which voted down gay marriage legislation. We could both go on and on.
@Steve << Chick is giving to legislators that support anti-gay legislation, so you are supporting the anti-gay agenda. >>
I have posted this more than once already.
I made it very clear that I went to Chik Fil A because:
1) I was protesting Rahm's and similar comments of elected officials
2) the local franchise owner , his family and all the employees don't deserve financial repercussions any more than gays deserve reprecussions of any sort from anyone.
Because I buy gasoline in America doesn't mean that I support the stoning of gays in the middle east.
I believe my stance is consistent and fair and does allows me to support both local small business and gay rights.
You have a choice.
The profit they make from your purchase, is going to an anti-gay agenda.
Not patronizing a business, is a traditional method of protesting a business, for what ever reason.
I stopped shopping at Target because they kicked the Salvation Army off their steps.
Why go to a chicken restaurant to protest what a politician said? Go to their office and protest them.
High finance is available to those who want to make sure their money does not go to causes they disagree with.
Specific investment vehicles are set up so they don't invest in oil (example) or any other business you do not want to give your money to.
<< Why go to a chicken restaurant to protest what a politician said? >>
Because my action was immediate and higher profile. It was nationwide, just as the boycott of chik fil a was intended to be nationwide. I got the biggest bang for my buck protesting Rahm. If I had not gone I may have been seen as supporting Rahm. That choice was unacceptable. As well, I wanted my money to go into the pocket of the locals working at that store.
I understand why you are no longer a customer at Target. Do you understand why I went to chik fil a for the first time in my life? If not, I can repost it again.
"The problem is not that someone was able to cull a number of objectionable tweets from what were undoubtedly thousands, the problem is that you are trying to use them to tar all of us with the same brush."
Good that you noticed that. It's what Silverfiddle does when some liberals act stupidly:
Hateful, Intolerant Liberals Attack Chick-Fil-A
I'm a Liberal who's never heard of Chik fil A until this tempest in a gizzard, but apparently I've attacked them.
And this from SF:
"But a dark presence overshadows that marketplace of ideas. It is the noxious, pustule-covered presence of the doctrinaire, dogmatic, un-liberal left."
So according to SF, the "un-liberal left is an obnoxious, pustule-covered presence.
But when I point out the gay bashing fest of the Chik fil A supporters, I'm tarring the right?
SF: "So who’s intolerant and hateful? It sure as hell ain’t the Christian Right. It is the noisy, illiberal left."
Good question, SF.
Here's your answer.
"Because I buy gasoline in America doesn't mean that I support the stoning of gays in the middle east"
You have many other choices where to buy your gas, and yes the profit they make from you allows them to continue the mistreatment of those people.
We are getting closer, Steve. In deference, I am going to ride my bike to work tomorrow (no gas used) and make myself a chicken sandwich from the chicken I raised in my backyard. Wait, is killing my chicken cruel and unusal? what do I do about PETA :-)
Well I can here in your tone that you are not serious, so continue to be used by the likes of Huckabee in his anti-gay agenda and by all means buy your chicken a Chickflik.
Thanks, I appreciate you trying to see it my way.
So why do you choose to support the anti-gay agenda, by choosing to buy at Chickflik?
Steve: "You have many other choices where to buy your gas, and yes the profit they make from you allows them to continue the mistreatment of those people."
Yep. That's why I don't buy my gas from Citgo.
I always try to gas up at Citgo.
The struggle is eternal.
Until Viburnum and KP started to chime in I was beginning to believe that Ducky was the only sane person in the room.
Now THAT had me REALLY worried. ;-)
Thank God the cavalry came and finally rescued the thread.
Now I can depart in peace with less consternation about the likely future of blogging.
~ FreeThinke
By the way, who is the silver-bearded, silver-haired gent in the photo?
Are we supposed to recognize him, or is he just a "model?"
Inquiring minds would like to know.
~ FT
Ducky: "I always try to gas up at Citgo."
A personal choice which no rational individual would presume to contest.
FT, that is the most interesting man in the world.
He's fluent in all languages, including three that only he speaks.
Ghosts fear him.
He tips an astonishing 100%.
Once while sailing around the world, He discovered a short cut.
He does Calculus in his head.
He always rounds to five decimal points.
He divorced his wife because he caught her littering.
As a toddler he taught others to walk.
At the book store people crowd to see him read.
His 1913 Duesenberg still has that new car smell.
Though he can't walk on water he's never slipped on ice.
Dolphins love swimming with him.
I've never eaten at a Chick-Fil-A before. That will change at my next earliest convenience.
Chick Fil A; the only place fat lazy rightards can go to express their political viewpoints on gay marriage and still get a good burp out of it.
Shaw:" "Hateful, Intolerant Liberals Attack Chick-Fil-A"
I'm a Liberal who's never heard of Chik fil A until this tempest in a gizzard, but apparently I've attacked them." "
Actually Shaw, I would have thought that SF excluded you by definition. Are you telling us the shoe fits?
viburnum,
You know exactly what my meaning is.
Silence
bliss
These Chick-fil-A threads are enough to take away the appetite of decent, kindhearted, fair-minded individuals on both sides of the aisle.
EVERYBODY involved is WRONG. PERIOD!
The entire brouhaha has been a childish, ill-tempered WASTE of TIME and ENERGY.
Have you seen a picture of Mr. Cathy? He and Richard Viguery must be identical twins who were separated at birth. The resemblance is uncanny.
Like him or not Mr. Cathy is perfectly within his rights to express his opinion without fear of censure or censorshit. If he is so opaque and insensitive as not realize -- or care -- that his opinions may be considered hurtful and therefore inflammatory, it's STILL his right to express them. Personally, if I had been in his shoes, I would have kept my thoughts to myself. It's MY considered opinion that it's never a good idea to stick your fork in an electrical socket -- except when posting on blogs, of course. ;-)
Imbeciles like Menino, besides being mentally deficient and morally challenged, are out of order and out of bounds. Civic "leaders" have NO right to throw their weight around in an attempt to exercise RESTRAINT of TRADE on the basis of their personal feelings and moral preferences.
Let's Go Berserk Together has been equally stupid in doing the usual leftist thing of staging a massive over-reaction to something that is not, never has been and should not be considered an "offense" in an attempt to USE a PHONY, MANUFACTURED CRISIS to gain even more political leverage.
I'm glad their effort backfired, but it's too bad anyone gave them "a good excuse" for staging one of their disgusting "insurgencies."
Really smart people (a very tiny minority, I fear) have chosen to ignore this Media Monster and dismiss it for what it is -- an EMBARRASSINGLY STUPID WASTE of TIME.
~ FreeThinke
Shaw: "You know exactly what my meaning is."
I do indeed, and you know what mine was. We're letting the lunatic fringe on both sides drive the conversation and instead of the remainder of us seeking positions that the vast majority of us can support, rush to the barricades to defend them. That way lies madness.
Steve. The time stamp at the bottom of comments is Mountain Standard Time, thus when it reads 10:27 pm it's past midnight on the east coast. Ergo you should draw no other inference from the lack of a response than the possibility that I may well be asleep.
It's typical for you righties to not answer a direct question.
Thank you, Viburnum, for neatly affirming the evaluation I made of this tiresome issue in my last comment without saying so directly.
As far as "Steverino" may be concerned, I can't see any value in responding to the noxious fumes that emanate from sidewalk sundaes -- uncouth deposits with which by all accounts it is always best to avoid contact whenever possible.
Cheerio!
~ FreeThinke
Duck and refuse to answer a direct question, and then of course the inevitable insults:
" I can't see any value in responding to the noxious fumes that emanate from sidewalk sundaes"
You guys are so predictable with your hate.
But see, Steve, You've smuggled an asserted conclusion in the premise of your question.
When did you stop beating your wife?
Try some candor, goodwill and intellectual honesty.
I did and was called names and insulted by you and most of your minions.
I see no reason to treat you nice when you treated me like shit.
Try your own advice.
Damn SF - You have minions.
Can I be your understudy? I've always wanted minions, but the best I've been able to do is a sidekick and a couple of lackeys.
Steve: They why don't you quit wasting your time and everyone else's and just go. Go to HuffPo, Democrat Underground, Crooks and Liars.
You'll be with your own kind there.
We get your point. You aver that eating at Chick-Fil-A is tantamount to supporting an anti-gay agenda.
KP gave a sound response:
I made it very clear that I went to Chik Fil A because:
1) I was protesting Rahm's and similar comments of elected officials
2) the local franchise owner , his family and all the employees don't deserve financial repercussions any more than gays deserve reprecussions of any sort from anyone.
Because I buy gasoline in America doesn't mean that I support the stoning of gays in the middle east.
I believe my stance is consistent and fair and does allows me to support both local small business and gay rights.
Everyone but the liberals agree with KP.
I don't know what further can be accomplished.
Constitutional:
You got to sink to the nefarious depths of Gru from Despicable Me in order to attract minions.
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Just wondering why if you or KP claim you are not against gays would give your money (buy CHICK) knowing that company donates (part of the money you gave them) supports anti-gay legislation?
A different question than why you went to the anti-gay rally at that business.
One can go, and not buy.
One could protest what a politician says, by protesting at the politicians office, not some chicken joint.
What's to protest? No official has denied CHICK anything.
Just trying to understand your hypocrisy.
I like to be prove correct, so I come here put up with your insults which I expect and you never disappoint.
I come here to get non answers which I expect and you never disappoint.
I come here to help you boost your comment count which is always lower when I do not comment.
I come here to read the deep hate towards liberals which I really could not believe until I experienced it here.
I learn a lot about negativity and hate visiting your blog.
Glad we can be of service to you!
Going to the Chick-Fil-A near my house was much easier, and more pleasant, that attempting to go register my displeasure with the un-constitutional, un-American statists in Crime Capital Chicago, Bean Town and San Fran Sicko.
Well, at least you admit you are a hate filled, insulting jerk
Watching the Muppets constitutes support of the homosexual agenda.
I always suspected that Bert and Ernie were mere proxies...
Anyone wanna go get a Chick-Fil-A with me?
"Well, at least you admit you are a hate filled, insulting jerk"
AHEM!
Have you looked in the mirror lately?
None of my Sassy gay friends like the "what's good for the goose" sauce that they typically stew in...
I suppose I just need to admit to myself that some principles just don't make good universals...
Steve: "I did and was called names and insulted by you and most of your minions. "
Why don't you go back to Thursday's post and read my response to the last time you made that specious claim.
My GOD! You REMOVED my last two posts, yet "Steve's" excrement remains intact stinking up the atmosphere.
That IS interesting.
Everything is getting nuttier and nuttier.
Must be the heat.
Now where IS that Big White Rabbit? I MUST find him. He MUST be SOMEWHERE.
~ FT
<< Just wondering why if you or KP claim you are not against gays would give your money (buy CHICK) knowing that company donates (part of the money you gave them) supports anti-gay legislation? >>
Steve, please stop mischaracterizing me. In an effort to use both of our time efficiently, please read my post(s) carefully.
I do not support anti-gay legislation. I didn't spend a dime the one and only day I have ever been to chik fil a. I went to show support to local business and oppose Rahm and other elected officials who were dead wrong on an issue. I talked with people in line, I called and offered moral support to a young worker who answered the phone (like the young gal verbally abused by Adam Smith on the video tape at youtube) and I wrote about my experience here while being clear I support gay rights.
I posted those thoughts here on more than one thread:
"I strongly favor gay rights but am disheartened by left leaning political threats. 8/1/12 9:42 AM”
“This doesn't count the people like myself who came to support Chik Fil A (the local business entity) or oppose comments by those similar to Menino and Rham but could not stay 8/1/12 3:27 PM >>
And here at Shaw’s site:
August 1, 2012 9:15 PM
I have been supporting gay rights in every way imaginable for the last fourty years.
In 1972, as a teenager I stepped into a fist fight when two guys were beating on my girlfriends brother because he was gay and had a shag haircut. I didn't stand by and then say I shoulda or coulda ...
When I opened my office one of my patients was gay and asked me to donate my time as a judge at his event's beauty pageant for cross dressers. My wife and I went and had a nice evening.
I have donated time and money at different dinners, concerts, talent shoes, to bands and numerous other events from the 1970s up until now.
You are mistaken about me financially supporting anti-gay legislation and I am happy to be able to point that out to you. I have thoroughly answered your question(s).
I will continue to answer your future questions of me – if - you cease and desist your line of questioning and mischaracterization of me supporting anti-gay legislation.
@ FT: My GOD! You REMOVED my last two posts
No I didn't. Please calm down and take a deep breath before accusing me of censoring you. You're not caught in the spam filter either. I guess the Blooger Black Hole ate another one...
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