Friday, November 16, 2012

All Hail, His Fraudulency




By Hugh Farnham

I was asked a couple of weeks ago by a lieutenant who I thought would win the election.  In lieu of voter fraud, I said, it will most likely be Romney.  

Voter fraud is a silent staple of American politics and has been for the past half century or more.

American Institutions:  Baseball,  Apple Pie and... Voter Fraud

It has been said the close race of JFK and Nixon in 1960 was won by the corrupt hand of Mayor Daley of Chicago.  Remember that city name.
 
Nixon wanted to fabricate a landslide in 1972 and employed a dirty tricks campaign to accomplish this.  Watergate was part of that effort.

Obama's "victory" in 2008 was by a margin easily concocted by illegal immigrants and ACORN registrations.

His Fraudulency

As I wrote in 2008, 7.7 million votes separated Obama from McCain and vote fraud played a major part.  David Simcox estimated almost 3 million illegal immigrants voted in that election - and add in the out-of-state voters and ACORN fraud you have potentially 9 million votes.  All illegal and fraudulent.

Where there's smoke there's a fire.  Ponder these billowing clouds of smoke, courtesy of Joseph Farah:

- In Philadelphia, GOP poll inspectors were forcibly removed from polling locations.  Guess who got 99% of the vote in those precincts?  As Rush commented recently, not even Saddam Hussein or Hugo Chavez gets those kind of percentages - at the point of a gun.  Apparently the Chicago Machine is mightier than a strongman's firearms.

-  There was a systemic denial of military ballots to our service members overseas, despite a Congressional program to prevent this very thing.

- In one Ohio county Obama won with 108% of the voters registered.

- Eric Holder's DOJ blocked states from implementing voter ID laws and Obama didn't win any states that actually implemented ID requirements.
 
This president was raised within the Chicago political machine.  What we are seeing is this corrupt machine expanded to the national level.

We need to wake up to reality here and reclaim our Republic.  Get involved with your county and precinct as a volunteer.  

“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”  - Plato

69 comments:

-FJ said...

Did Plato know Stevie? Its' uncanny!

Constitutional Insurgent said...

I would argue a lack of proof of a "systematic denial" of military ballots. Farah offers zero evidence for this assertion. There was indeed a decrease in the application for absentee ballots from deployed service members, but there are many other reasons for this to be the case, rather than an unfounded accusation.

conservativesonfire said...

Hugh, I wish I had read your post before I wrote mine this morning. I wasn't aware of the possible degree in voter fraud in 2008. Knowing might have changed the opinion I made about our recent election.

Silverfiddle said...

FJ: Please don't feed the trolls

Ducky's here said...

David Simcox estimated almost 3 million illegal immigrants voted in that election - and add in the out-of-state voters and ACORN fraud you have potentially 9 million votes.

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Who the bleep is David Simcox other than being a little whining right wing snot?

Now run along and fellate Andrew Breitfart's corpse and watch a James O'Keefe production.

Bore me later.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Wait...wait...I thought Obummer won because he gave away FREE STUFF to blacks, Hispanics, illegals, and frisky young women looking for free birth control.

Now you're telling me that in addition to buying off all those millions of votes, 9 MILLION votes were fraudulent!

And all this is backed up by Farah [he of the Birther Conspiracy branch of the GOP] at World Net Daily, no less!

Wow! Who knew!

Personally, I suggest you look into the space alien voter fraud. That will prove to be an even bigger cover-up.

Silverfiddle said...

"Wait...wait...I thought Obummer won because he gave away FREE STUFF to blacks, Hispanics, illegals, and frisky young women looking for free birth control."

Yes, that's the theory I subscribe to. Add in millions of conservatives too disgusted with Romney to vote for him, and Obama gets reelected, fair and square by my lights.

We have various writers here and we all don't think the same. Check the byline.

FreeThinke said...

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”

~ Plato

True enough, but the greater truth underlying the sense of that statement is that inferior people vastly outnumber superior ones. Our Founding Fathers knew this all too well, which is why they wrote our Constitution with the deliberate avoidance of anything that smacked of "Direct Democracy" in mind.

The closer we get to Direct Democracy, the closer we get to the tyranny of MORONOCRACY.

They're not called "The COMMON People" for nothing.

The ORIGINAL concept of allowing ONLY property owning citizens of proven capability to vote was rooted in great wisdom.

Allowing illiterate morons, proven subversives, malcontents and vicious guttersnipes to have any say in determining public policy was a grievous error. It WILL be the death of us.

~ FreeThinke

Silverfiddle said...

The ironic thing here is that if we had stricter voter registration procedures and strong voter ID laws, coupled with standardized voting machines with auditable paper receipts and copies, voter fraud would be practically taken off the table.

The one thing I agreed with the UN observers on was their surprise that anyone could stagger into any polling place and vote. No ID and no safeguards to keep someone from voting multiple times, or to prevent the ineligible from voting.

With a stupid system like ours, voter fraud is not only probable, it is positively invited.

KP said...

@Shaw, you have to wonder how frisky girls ever made it through the 60s and 70s summers of love, as well as the 80s disco and swingers clubs. Let alone the 90s and last decade before Obama and the war on women freed them up with birth control :-)

Brilliant marketing on the left side; and unexplainable self sabotage on the fringe right.

What must be very troubling to most of the right is that they don't want to do away with abortion; and if they do they know it isn't going to happen. So, by establishment Repubs putting language into their platform was very purely thought out. It only served to soothe a fraction of the party and motivate a large segment of the female population to vote. It's crazy.

KP said...

Back to the topic of the article; I was shocked by the charges leveled at ACORN in 2008. I know the left has argued there was no basis for claims that skirted voting laws, but that rings about as true as the current administration's claims that they did all they could to prevent the murder of four Americans in Benghazi before, during and after the terror attacks. C'mon!!

We can nearly eliminate illegal voting and we should, ASAP.

skudrunner said...

"Wait...wait...I thought Obummer won because he gave away FREE STUFF to blacks, Hispanics, illegals, and frisky young women looking for free birth control."

Shaw,
Do you not find it odd that Paetta said many of the military did not get their ballots in time, Obama, or Obummer as you call him, did not win one state that required ID to vote.

Hugh Farnham said...

Ducky sez: Who the bleep is David Simcox other than being a little whining right wing snot?

Now run along and fellate Andrew Breitfart's corpse and watch a James O'Keefe production.


Simcox is one of the few individuals who have had the guts to tell the truth on the flood of illegal immigrants. I personally welcome immigrants; but there is a process to become a citizen defined by Congress and common sense. Current DOJ / INS policy is setting us up for amnesty and future Democrat voters.

You offend my religious sensibilities. Andrew Breitbart is the patron saint of conservative bloggers and having stiff nightcaps before bed.

Hugh Farnham said...

By definition, fraud is done using deceit and subterfuge. Unfortunately the criminal evidence in this case is tightly held by those Democrat operatives who perpetrated the crimes.

- 99% to 100% votes going to Obama in certain Democrat precincts
- No states with voter ID laws went to Obama
- 15 million illegal immigrants in the US; many have licenses, and therefore can vote
- ACORN. Need I say more?

If I were a prosecutor and this was any other crime I would have circumstantial evidence to mount an investigation.

Ducky's here said...

Simcox is one of the few individuals who have had the guts to tell the truth on the flood of illegal immigrants.

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Oh, you know he tells the truth,why?
Because you agree with him?

Hugh, Shaw already pointed out that you are using a freaking birther from that cesspool "WND" as an expert witness. There are some holes here.

Statements like "Eric Holder's DOJ blocked states from implementing voter ID laws and Obama didn't win any states that actually implemented ID requirements."
Funny, I thought those issues lost in state courts in many instances. That's a very shallow analysis.

But this is the way it works on the right and there is no getting any circumspection.

You'll still get the brainwashed saying that Marx is the source of the social welfare state no matter how often they are shown the more complex history (Hint: Bismarck).

Try to get a right winger to even accept that the size of the deficit does not matter so much as the cost of the debt service. No go.

By the way, the Kennedy election? There is very little evidence or agreement that Illinois was rigged. Texas on the other hand? At least get it right.
Just an example of why it is so hard to discuss anything with the right who have been mind f----d by sound bites and have allowed their intelligence to be shut down.

Hugh Farnham said...

I've been reading Joe Farah for the past 12 years; he is on the mark 95% of the time. Compare that with the accuracy of the usual suspects in the main stream media. Their main job is to carry the water and hip service to the Administration.

The DOJ blocked voter ID laws.

True.

DOJ Blocks Voter ID At Every Turn

No state that had voter photo ID laws went to Obama.

True.

Obama Lost In Every State With Photo ID Law

By now, Ducky, you should realize we don't float things here on this blog; hard facts can be backed up and speculation is labeled as such.

Ducky's here said...

Do you remember BlackBoxVoting and the flap they created after the first Chucklenuts election. Voting machine companies were rigging the elections for Chucklenuts.
You must remember. Democracy Now was reporting it and then the leftist bloggers looked deeper, found it was all nonsense and the reporters on the left retracted.

I have not encountered that on the right. Rather I encounter utterly asinine statements like "He's right 95% of the time".

Please stop.

Always On Watch said...

In one Ohio county Obama won with 108% of the voters registered.

Well, it's very clear that voter fraud was involved that that particular case. No doubt about it!

It doesn't matter that Obama lost in every state with photo ID law!

You know what the sad truth is: it doesn't matter how Obama won because nothing is going to be done to address the matter of voter fraud in the 2012 General Election.

Why? Tell my WHY! Is is because guarding the integrity is racist?

Always On Watch said...

Silverfiddle,
Add in millions of conservatives too disgusted with Romney to vote for him, and Obama gets reelected, fair and square by my lights.

I'm not sure that we know that millions of conservatives stayed home because they perceived Romney as a RINO. Do we have that data?

Millions of voters always stay home for every election, right?

I'm willing to be corrected, but I have to ask those questions.

FreeThinke said...

Joe Farah got tarred with the brush of "anti-Semitism." That forced him -- as it forced wonderful Joe Sobran before him -- to be cast out into the cold to make it strictly on his own.

No one -- and I mean NO ONE -- can even be perceived as bucking AIPAC and hope to survive in "mainstream" America.

That's not "anti-Semitism," it's just a fact of life.

It's very much to Farah's credit that he's been able to carry on with World Net daily, despite all the cards stacked against him.

Joe Sobran doesn't have to contend with anything anymore. He's dead.

Glenn Beck and Judge Andrew Napolitano got jettisoned at FOX News.

When last seen Napolitano gave an interview with Michael Scheuer in which Scheuer -- a former CIA operative -- said loud, clear, and plain as day, "Israel is no friend of the United States."

When was the last time anyone heard publicly from Scheuer?

Beginning to get the picture?

The American People are NOT in control of their government -- in fact they have little or no influence on it at all.

Disbelieve this at your peril.

Always On Watch said...

FT,
The American People are NOT in control of their government -- in fact they have little or no influence on it at all.

Exactly.

The realization of powerlessness is cause for pessimism.

Jersey McJones said...

Any one who believes Obama won because of voter fraud, or even that the net fraud results even benefited him, is a moron.

JMJ

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Since the premise of the topic is fraud, I would call out the statistical improbability of Joseph Farah being right anywhere near 95% of the time, since the assertion is utterly subjective...and his main job is to carry water for the far right and Christian nationalists.

As for voter fraud, I tend to discount many initial claims, such as the St. Lucie County kerfuffle.....where the immediate outcry over votes cast versus cards cast was finally parsed.

Silverfiddle said...

AOW: I don't know what happened. I base my opinion on reading people who analyzed the numbers.

http://westernhero.blogspot.com/2012/11/where-did-all-whiteys-go.html

My point is, I think Obama won fair and square. He turned out his base, and the GOP did not.

Democrats are better vote harvesters.

dmarks said...

Jersey. The Democrats fought very hard to keep voter fraud part of this election, so it is not "moronic" at all to believe it did help him.

Ducky's here said...
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viburnum said...

It's pretty much a moot point as the election is over, but voter fraud in Philadelphia has been a standing joke here for as long as I can remember. More troubling was the story of accredited poll watchers either refused entry or ejected from the polling places.

So isn't it about time that both sides get together and reform the system to eliminate the possibility and even the appearance of fraud?

Ducky's here said...

It's very much to Farah's credit that he's been able to carry on with World Net daily, despite all the cards stacked against him.

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Is it World Net Daily or Weekly World News, I get them confused.

Anyway, why does credit accrue to some stiff who runs a site that is nothing but a dog whistle for the religiously and politically insane?

Shaw Kenawe said...

I've read that WND is doing some extremely important work by hiring a Ph.D. in Christian Education to look at the squiggles on President Obama's wedding ring. At the behest of Mr. Jerome Corsi, he of Birther Illuminati fame:

"Egyptian-born Islamic scholar Mark A. Gabriel, Ph.D., examined photographs of Obama’s ring at WND’s request and concluded that the first half of the Shahada is inscribed on it.

“There can be no doubt that someone wearing the inscription ‘There is no god except Allah’ has a very close connection to Islamic beliefs, the Islamic religion and Islamic society to which this statement is so strongly attached,” Gabriel told WND."

This is BIG. WND is on to something really BIG!


Rational Nation USA said...

And soon maturity will couple with intellect to create a superior race.

In the meantime we have the "GAMES."

Ducky's here said...

The material writes itself, Shaw.

Grung_e_Gene said...

Total BS and racist as well. I know calling right-wing bigots racist is going to earn me the 'shut up liberal using the race card' angry comments but the heck with all of you.

"In some parts of rural Maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came in and voted on Election Day."
Charlie Webster

Your chicken hawk vulture capitalist unearned white entitlment candidate got crushed.

There is no widespread voter fraud. Voter ID efforts are designed to suppress and oppress minorities.

And the accredited poll watchers viburum is alleging were denied entry were not "Accredited" but were True the Vote criminals stopping black people from entering polling places and demanding their IDs.

Grung_e_Gene said...

To quote Silverfiddle,

Complaints about stolen elections are

The plaintive cry of a loser.

October 30, 2012 7:46 AM

Ducky's here said...

Surely not this True the Vote !!!
From their fascinating Wiki entry.

"In 2012, True the Vote applied to The Franklin County Board of Elections to place polling observers in Columbus area districts with large African-American populations.

In November 2012, an investigation by the FCBOE in Ohio found that five of the six signatures on the application were forged.

Because this type of fraud is a fifth degree felony, the FCBOE declared that an investigation will be conducted after the election."

viburnum said...

@Gene

I don't know where you got your misinformation but they were not "True the Vote" volunteers but the normal, legitimate, poll watchers who were excluded. They were in fact reinstated by court order, in many cases with police escorts to insure that the order was obeyed.

FreeThinke said...

There was NOTHING 'fair and square' about this election, SilverFiddle.

I think you put too much faith in NUMBERS and fail sometimes to notice NUANCES -- or take note of the stench of corruption blowing like a virtual hurricane through the air surrounding America Politics -- and probably everyone else's politics as well.

Silverfiddle said...

@ Gene: "know calling right-wing bigots racist is going to earn me the 'shut up liberal using the race card' angry comments but the heck with all of you.'

No. Just laughter.

@ Viburnum: So isn't it about time that both sides get together and reform the system to eliminate the possibility and even the appearance of fraud?

No way. Both sides get way too much political mileage out of the issue.

Silverfiddle said...

FreeThinke: I am open to evidence. So far, I haven't seen any.

viburnum said...

@SF

You're probably right. That would be far too reasonable a course of action to expect from today's pols.

Finntann said...

@There is no widespread voter fraud. Voter ID efforts are designed to suppress and oppress minorities.

Funny, never seemed to depress sales of Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull or the cashing of Welfare checks.

viburnum said...

@There is no widespread voter fraud.

Since any illegal vote cast disenfranchises a legitimate voter why would it need to be widespread to do something about it?

Finntann said...

The liberal argument is there is no voter fraud, because there are no significant numbers of cases or convictions for voter fraud.

Which in that case, when I was growing up, teenage drinking wasn't a problem either, because no one was getting busted or convicted. When we were in the park drinking, on the rare occasion the cops did come by, they would make us pour out our beers before they moved on.

No arrests, no convictions, no problem.

Cheers!

Ducky's here said...

Wrong.

The argument is that there is no evidence of extensive voter fraud. For the fraud to be effective tipping elections there would have to be a conspiracy.
If that were the case there were be plenty of right wing accusations.

Instead all you have are the True the Vote clowns running around performing the relatively easy tasks of making the "Funny, never seemed to depress sales of Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull or the cashing of Welfare checks" crowd's motives seem suspect.

viburnum said...

Ducky: "The argument is that there is no evidence of extensive voter fraud."

Which doesn't address the question of why any level of it should be considered acceptable, and arguing against voter id, purging registration rolls, etc. makes the Cry Voter Suppression crowd's motives equally suspect.

beamish said...

I thought Mitt Romney lost because he couldn't get enough white people to vote for him?

Liberalmann said...

Funny how the right is twisting and turning to blame everyone else for the loss rather than recognize they are just done as a party.

But it's so cute they still need their discredited ACORN binky!

Ducky's here said...

@viburnum -- Which doesn't address the question of why any level of it should be considered acceptable, and arguing against voter id, purging registration rolls, etc. makes the Cry Voter Suppression crowd's motives equally suspect.

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Well let me address it real clear and real slow.

There is NO evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Voter ID will deny the franchise to many.

Given the first point there is no reason to deny the legal franchise to people just because Romney ran a fucking incompetent ground game.

Now go lick your wounds and ask yourself this question. If that useless dipstick Romney is in fact such a competent manager, so competent that he will instantly redefine the American economy, then why didn't he know that his staff was screwing the fucking pooch?

How about a nice aged goat cheese with your whine?

Finntann said...

Bush became president by 537 votes with a margin of victory in Florida of .0092%

How can you consider any amount of voter fraud acceptable?

My comment was an intentionally facetious remark to the idiotic comment that the purpose of Voter ID is to supress minority and poor voters.

Voter fraud doesn't have to be extensive or pervasive, in 2000 Florida had a total voting age population of 12,347,806, however only 11,081,542 were citizens. That is a potential pool of 1,266,264 illegal voters.

http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/briefs/phc-t31/index.html

I do not believe there is any conspiracy, for it would be well nigh impossible to predict where you needed to put the votes, any victory would be entirely coincidental.

But that doesn't mean that legitimate American voter's were not disenfranchised and we wound up with an elected official not 'of the will of the people'.

That said, there is no Constitutional requirement to be a citizen in order to vote. The requirement was left to the states. In fact, over much of our history non-citizens could vote, and over 40 states have permitted it.

In Minor v. Happersett the Supreme Court noted "citizenship has not in all cases been made a condition precedent to the enjoyment of the right of suffrage. Thus, in Missouri, persons of foreign birth, who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, may under certain circumstances vote."

Notice that the only requirement was the stated intent of becoming a citizen. Of course, on the ironic side, this court decision was one upholding the denial of suffrage to women.

The country was swept by citizenship voting requirements during World War I, and believe it or not, Arkansas was the last state to prohibit non-citizens from voting in 1926.

Technically, the federal government has no role whatsoever in elections, that was the purview of the states until recently, perhaps another overstepping of enumerated powers.

Near as I can figure, voting by aliens wasn't made a federal crime until passage of Public Law 104-208 on September 30th, 1996 with the insertion of 611 Voting by aliens into Title 18.

That said, the people have spoken in both the states and at the federal level that they do not want aliens voting, it is obligatory upon the government to enforce that will.

Cheers!

Finntann said...

Voter ID will deny the franchise to many.

I said it before and I'll say it again... BULLSHIT! You practically can't wipe your ass in this country without photo ID. Your position is unsupportable.

Finntann said...

How about a nice aged goat cheese with your whine?

As I said, the people have spoken in all 50 state legislatures and at the federal level..you're the one whining.

Don't like it, get the frigging law repealed or overturned, until then aliens can't legally vote, and the government is obligated to enforce the will of the people. You'd go apeshit if we suddenly and arbitrarily decided to stop enforcing the civil rights act... what's the difference? You agree with one but not the other?

Sucks when democracy doesn't go your way, doesn't it?

viburnum said...

Let me repeat the question real clear and real slow.

Since any illegal vote disenfranchises a legitimate voter, why should any amount of voter fraud be tolerated?

As for voter id requirements suppressing voters please cite your evidence. The figures I've seen would seem to indicate that voter turnout increased in states with strict id laws, presumably by restoring a measure of faith in the system.

I'm not whining about anything. This election is over, which means the time to fix the system is now, unless you want to repeat the argument again in two years.

Leticia said...

Voter fraud has been such a huge issue and I am not sure what can be done to prevent. I still can't believe about our troops overseas that were denied the right to vote, what the heck?

We need a system that is going to work and off topic a bit, get rid of the electoral votes altogether, start showing some ID and not even sure what else we can do to prevent this kind of fraud.

viburnum said...

Leticia: "I am not sure what can be done to prevent"

Voter ID everywhere is a start, as is keeping accurate current voter registration records. The latter is already the law, but it is being enforced selectively by the DoJ. Some states are allowed to leave their voter rolls go for years without purging the dead and those who have moved away, while others are blocked from doing so at the whim of Washington. We have the technology to clean it up we just need to overcome the inertia of those who seek to find advantage in the existing disorder.

You may want to take another look at the electoral college though as it is one of the best defenses against the tyranny of the majority.

FreeThinke said...

Did Obama Cheat? How to Answer the Question

By Paul Murphy

There are 15 states with photo ID requirements for voting. Mr. Obama lost in all of them.

In places with the weakest controls, specifically counties in Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and Pennsylvania, he generally drew turnouts in the 90% or greater range and won by better than 95% of the vote.

Losers tend to look for external explanations, and a lot of conservatives looking at numbers like those from Florida's St. Lucie County (where Mr. Obama got 247,713 votes from only 175,554 registered voters) are starting to question the legitimacy of the electoral results as reported.

That's not good news for democracy, because the system works only if we trust it -- and having a majority in the GOP write off a minority who think the results were rigged serves nobody. Not even Democrats.

So what we need is an independent means of testing the electoral result.

Long technical article on polling linked below. The above excerpt I thought was interesting. If you are captivated by lengthy statistical analysis here is the link. ~ FT

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/../2012/11/did_obama_cheat_how_to_answer_the_question.html

~ FreeThinke

Constitutional Insurgent said...

"I still can't believe about our troops overseas that were denied the right to vote, what the heck?"

Is there any point where this assertion will be sourced and defended....or will it simply be repeated like bumper sticker catch phrases of the left?

viburnum said...

@CI

Possibly pertinent. Denied might be too harsh a charge, but they're apparently not busting a gut to comply with the law.


http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/090712-624998-obama-ignores-military-absentee-voting-problems.htm?p=full

Constitutional Insurgent said...

And yet, every military installation has an IVAO, or is serviced by an office at a larger facility.

http://www.fvap.gov/contact/ivaoffice/index.html

Further, each unit of Company size [speaking for the Army at least] has a Voting Assistance Officer. That persons function is to assist in registration and procurement of absentee ballots. Something, I might add, the individual service member is easily able to do themselves, in all but the most arduous circumstances.

Silverfiddle said...

CI: The cases I have seen dealt with troops overseas receiving ballots too late, or having to meet impossible registration and requesting deadlines.

These are set forth by each state, so I would never allege it was an Obama plot, but imagine if this were happening to minorities in this country.

All the news outlets would be all over it, congressional hearings, people fired...

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Absolutely. When the mail is one of the lower priorities on in and outbound birds....ballots can be affected.

Mitigation of that can occur on the service members initiative however.

viburnum said...

CI: "And yet, every military installation has an IVAO, ..."

From the article

"Last week, however, the Pentagon's inspector general reported that attempts to locate and contact IVAO offices at overseas military installations failed about half the time. ... "We concluded the Services had not established all the IVAOs as intended by the MOVE Act because, among other issues, the funding was not available."

Pencil whipped?



Constitutional Insurgent said...

Nearly every program in the military is pencil whipped to some extent, this would not likely be immune.

However, Installation VAOs tour the post units for compliance and conduct Voting Assistance training [along with receiving training themselves. There is very likely no more than two people per office, nor should there be.

Did they call when nobody was in the office. Did they call back?

The article had some distinct holes.

dmarks said...

Finntann: Minnesota elected a buffoon to the Senate (Franklin) due to a large enough number of fraudulent ballots.

dmarks said...

Ducky said: "Who the bleep is David Simcox other than being a little whining right wing snot?"

Conservative or not, he is telling the truth about the destruction of democracy by this election fraud.

I don't know what his height has to do with it, but if a big part of your case against him has to do with him being short, you have damaged a lot of your own credibility, not his.

Puts you down on the level of Rush Limbaugh, who likes to bash Robert Reich for his height.

J.O.B. said...

"Now go lick your wounds and ask yourself this question. If that useless dipstick Romney is in fact such a competent manager, so competent that he will instantly redefine the American economy, then why didn't he know that his staff was screwing the fucking pooch?"
I believe there is a big difference between economic policies and campaign management Ducky.

"You practically can't wipe your ass in this country without photo ID. Your position is unsupportable."
I do think ID laws would hurt the Senior population. Minority population? That's horseshit, for numerous reasons. But when you reach Social Security age, an ID almost gets to the point where it's rendered useless. Especially when Seniors decide to stop driving.

Finntann said...

Do seniors decide to stop getting colds? You can't even buy cold medicine here without photo ID.

The point is ID voter suppression is a strawman.

J.O.B. said...

Don't know exactly what Seniors need I.D.s for. I'm just saying that the only group of people that I see ID requirements hurting is Seniors. I don't see how it would negatively effect minorities or immigrants. Legal or illegal.

Hugh Farnham said...

Let's not get trapped into the false Left vs. Right paradigm.

It's freedom versus slavery. When a boot is stomping your face, it is irrelevant if it is a right boot or left boot. Freedom is what counts.

Just because I excoriated the Obama campaign for potential voter fraud doesn't mean I voted for Romney. I didn't.

It was a complex election and many factors drove to the current "winner" - voter fraud, a milquetoast conservative, and the EBT card crowd coming out in horror flick-size mobs to vote.

FT: Thanks for the excellent analysis of illegal immigrant laws and the States.

We dump $40 billion a year in DHS and TSA, highway cameras, facial recognition, license plate readers and other Orwellian infrastructure. We can't solve the voter ID problem?

The government hasn't solved the voter ID issue because it doesn't want to. Too many slices of bread get buttered by the corrupt system as it is.

I don't buy the liberal canard that ID requirements disenfranchises the poor, the minority, the downtrodden. Shake down the next homeless bum you find and most likely you will find some form of ID - along with an EBT card. And a bottle of Night Train.

Finntann said...

Not that I'm in the habit of quoting thing British Labor Party, but I believe it was Ken Livingstone that said " if voting changed anything they'd abolish it"

Cheers!

jez said...

That quote is older than Ken, although he did name one of his memoirs after it. Digging reveals it was coined by American (East-European born) anarchist Emma Goldman.