I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -- Voltaire
We’re still feeling the aftershocks of Sandra Fluke’s phony rights claims. She is plucky, gotta give here that, staring right into the camera and demanding others pay for her condoms and birth control pills. And not the cheap Walmart generic crap. Based on her price tag, she was demanding top shelf!
She was well-prepared and positively basked in the swaddling comfort of friendly liberal audiences, especially since she now proudly sports the Bleeding Heart Victimhood Ribbon for having the good fortune to have been savaged by rightwingpig Rush Limbaugh.
Cost aside, the essence of Fluke's argument is that reproductive freedom requires free birth control. By the same logic, religious freedom requires kosher food subsidies, freedom of speech requires taxpayer-funded computers, and the right to keep and bear arms requires government-supplied guns. (Sandra Fluke’s Protection Racket)Progressives do not want to debate the real issue. They want to shut down the debate by silencing the opposition; nevermind that the left has a chauvinist pig infestation as well…
"female impersonator."That’s just a representative sample of the vile insults puked out by hating leftists upon conservative women. And only from one Michelle Malkin column. “They do it too,” is not an argument to justify anyone’s action, but rather to point out that the left is no better than the right in this regard.
Not an "authentic" female political candidate
“Mashed up bag of meat with lipstick”
"uninflected by the experiences of the female body."
"Now when I read her stuff, I imagine her narrating her text, book-on-tape style, with a big, hairy set of (redacted) in her mouth. It vastly improves her prose."
"a perfect demonstration of the necessity of the work Planned Parenthood does"
"black trophy"
"Aunt Jemima."
a list of the top 10 conservative women who deserved to be "hate-f**ked."
The reason liberals have the upper hand is because they possess a well-oiled manufactured outrage machine and an abuse victim’s ability to justify their own patriarchal perverts doing scummy things like luring barely-legal star-struck interns into performing sexual favors upon them.
Breitbart catalogs the death threats against Limbaugh that Media Matters, Think Progress and other hate factories have inspired. They include threats of rape, murder, punching him in the throat, sticking a gun in his mouth, and a wide variety of the now ubiquitous heart attack fantasies.
Commenter Miss8S sums it up nicely:
Still more evidence of what happens when the criminally insane lead the mentally ill and emotionally fragile...Phony Outrage, Insincere Apology
As a gesture of friendship to the left, I want to introduce to them a column by liberal Michael Kinsley. I rarely agree with him, but I’ve always liked him and appreciated his quick mind and intellectual honesty. His sly look and verbal winks and nods lets us know he gets it, and he’s not falling for the propaganda, regardless of where it comes from…
About Limbaugh’s apology:
Well, of course he wasn’t sincere. And of course he was only apologizing to pacify advertisers -- who were getting pressured to pressure Limbaugh by these very critics.He goes on to say that these episodes leave the victim chastened and hobbled. My mind immediately turned to whipped dog Don Imus, who added his howling indignation to the manufactured outrage chorus, and is anyone surprised? As I heard local talk show host Peter Boyles say about those who have seen the light…
But any apology induced in these circumstances is almost by definition insincere. You can’t demand a public recantation and then expect sincerity along with the humble pie.
“Beware. Once they’ve found themselves, they will come looking for you.”Insincerity on Both Sides
These umbrage episodes that have become the principal narrative line of our politics are orgies of insincerity.
Of course, the insincerity is on both sides. The pursuers all pretend to be horrified and “saddened” by this unexpected turn of events. In fact, they are delighted. Why not? Their opponent has committed the cardinal political sin: a gaffe.Kinsley is a liberal in the best since of the word: a lover of liberty, but he’s an endangered species. His piece is a brilliant example of Voltaire’s principle: Kinsley abhors Limbaugh’s views on probably everything, but he defends his right to express them, probably keeping the old “Live by the sword, die by the sword” chestnut in mind. What a concept.
See also It’s Like Totally Different When a Liberal Does It
105 comments:
Still steamed that The Vulgar Gasbag took one on the chin? Tough.
I guess it kind of hurts coming in the same week when you found out how freaking lame the Breitbart tapes were. Man, were his fifteen minutes up.
The fringe right noise machine is dead. You've got a few of these dopes preaching to the choir and most of the population laughing at the Tea Party.
No, not steamed. I ran across Kinsley's article and really enjoyed it and thought I'd share it.
Also, I had to take one more chance to shine the spotlight on the false-equivalency of her absurd "rights" claim.
Breitbart helped build Drudge Report, HuffPo, and now Breitbart, three excellent new media outlets, so it's a little more than 5 minutes...
And thank you for the last statement. You too display the fascistic preternatural twitch to silence your opponents. Congratulations comrade, and dream on.
I find it troubling, but very familiar that the left feigns such outrage. I am not necessarily agreeing with what Rush Limbaugh said, but he did have the right to say it. As for what he said, it is certainly no worse than some of the things Sarah Palin has been called by Bill Maher and other liberal media personalities. Methinks it is high time they all got off their high horses
Media Matters was started with the specific purpose of attacking Rush, Beck, and FOX News.
The leftist noise machine is scared.
How many leftist personalities, to include Hollywood types and music entertainers, sensationalize misogyny?
My personal fave is Jay-Z, with his monstrous hit that proudly states:
"I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one."
That's right. And the money he makes producing such drivel goes to support the Democrat Party.
Hypocrisy,anyone?
If the stereotype is that rightists all want their women to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen, then the leftist stereotype is that their women are nothing but bitches, good for casual and experimental sex, being given free birth control and easy access to abortions, and able to casually accept their role as the lesser sex while being told they are equals.
"how freaking lame the Breitbart tapes were" 3rd radical association in 4 years, is hardly lame. But of course, this is the lame liberal response to something they can't defend.
It is coming out the Ms Fluke is being represented by progressive PR firm of SKD Knickerbocker, and the managing editor...Anita Dunn, Obamas former communication director....
Two Guys makes an excellent point:
The leftist noise machine is scared.
In fact, I've never seen the Left so desperate.
Are they drunk with power or scared sh*itless that they' about to lose power because their chosen one isn't up to snuff (their version of snuff, of course)?
Fasten your seatbelts, folks. It's going to one helluva bumpy ride to November 2012.
You know where I stand on this issue Silver. This is nothing more than red herring designed to divert attention away from the real issue; Obamacare's contraception mandate that clearly violates the constitution. They can't afford questions being raised about the constitutionality of a mandate while it sits on the steps of the SCOTUS. They're trying to make the case that the individual mandate is legal and the penalty fee is a tax. They don't need another red flag for the Justices to latch onto. That's my opinion.
of interest
Yeah Silver, it's great news reporting. I listen to the local rabies radio show over my raisin bran, coffee and yogurt in the morning.
They are talking about the Breitbart tapes and some "expert" is talking about Derrick Bell's link to Farrakhan. Now when ever someone starts mentioning Farrakhan you know you're dealing with a race baiting freaking asshole.
The turds are going on about bombing Iran now. Over the top insanity.
But this is what passes as reporting for most of the nation. Conspiracy theories, lies, fools who don't know socialized medicine from single payer insurance, young earthers ... etc.
We've been turned into a nation of dopes and you fucking wallow in it. Do you see a future in that?
Ducky,
"We've been turned into a nation of dopes and you fucking wallow in it."
Wait. Is Kurt wallowing in the Nation, or wallowing in dope? I'm not clear as to what it is he is apparently wallowing in. Could you clarify?
Thanks!
Possibly of interest:
Alabama Democrats scrub Bill Maher fundraiser off website
It's another very good article, Kurt, but isn't it time we recognized that this topic has been EXHAUSTED?
Every point made here was already made -- SEVERAL TIMES -- quite eloquently -- on yesterday's thread and even some material that preceded it.
As I tried to point out earlier his morning on yesterday's thread, we need to pay more attention to EACH OTHER, and not be so focused on just what WE want to say, because so often it merely repeats, echoes or effectively paraphrases what someone else has ALREADY said.
Acknowledging each other's contributions instead of merely castigating or repeating them would add a lot of "class" to our discussions. Just because our ideological enemies tend to be insolent and ungracious is no reason why "we" should follow suit.
I also said that it does "our" cause no good to keep on and on bashing Rush Limbaugh for his relatively mild lapse of taste -- especially not when we consider the magnitude of the disingenuous display of vitriol, vituperation, ill will, vulgarity, sheer viciousness and IMMENSE ugliness of the sentiments ROUTINELY expressed by our ideological enemies.
The "You do it too all the time" defense dredged up to justify one's own bad behavior is not even "weak tea," as I think you put it. It's ILLEGITIMATE, and doesn't belong in proper debate.
I hate to wax trite, but since when have two wrongs EVER made a right?
Two wrongs from opposing factions DON'T CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT either.
As I keep saying:
When you're RIGHT, you're RIGHT.
When you're WRONG, you're LEFT.
};-)>
I ought to have that printed on a pile of bumper stickers, and sell it to the multitudes, don't you think?
Cheerio!
~ FreeThinke
Shaw Kenawe I am not in the habit of writing nasty comments as you do in your vulgar, nasty, obscene, profane and abusive blog. . But I am not afraid of being criticized or rebuked when I criticize someone who is "Full of it" Also I'm always happy to apologize when I make a mistake and I will defend myself when I believe I'm right, and now is such a time.
Despite the the fact that you and your kind have been piling on with your attacks against Rush Limbaugh for calling Sandra Fluke, who wants you to pay for her birth control, a "slut" this week, (for which he apologized).
You never seem to miss the opportunity to call Republicans vicious and disgusting names.
But where were you when Wanda Sykes did much, much worse, as did Bill Maher and still does.
Or when David Letterman called Sarah Palin's daughter those disgusting names?
Bottom line, You and so many other Leftists like you are despicable people.
Rush’s sponsors were deliberately intimidated by an orchestrated campaign of phone calls and emails from leftists like you who always seem to be the ringleader for these sort of things.
Typical of the filth you and your progressive crowd feed on.
Anonymous, I agree with what you said about Shaw Kenawe's blog. .
Democrats are sick puppies - they just need someone to constantly hate and vilify, and the more decent, upstanding, pro-family, pro-life, pro-military, pro-America, and conservative a person is, the more likely they are to incur the completely unprovoked wrath of the left.
Did Whoopi Goldberg ever apologize about what she said about George Bush's last name?
Did Wanda Sykes apologize about what she said while entertaining Obama, when she hoped Limbaugh's kidneys would fail and he would die?
Liberalism is a disease of the soul.
On that subject of rights, I would emphasise that I don't conceive of this as a rights issue, just a utilitarian one.
In other words, you the prompt tax-payer benefits from the poor's access to contraception (less child benefit), and the poor's children benefits from having meager resources distributed among many siblings.
(Actually, it might benefit the prompt tax-payer by depriving him future generations of large poverty-striken workforce -- that workforce for this generation is largely Chinese, but they have a very aggressive family planning policy right now.)
Since I don't confine government to protecting individual liberty, this type of problem may be addressed in the cheapest way possible.
As always in a society dedicated to liberty, family planning decisions must rest entirely with the individual parents.
I guess this is as good an opportunity as any to have this out, even though I risk offending many whom I consider good friends and allies:
I've been severely criticized for suggesting the sentiments expressed by John Adams in the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798, and the policies of the late Joe McCarthy's House Un-American Activities Committee deserved to reexamined and possibly given renewed vigor in light of the tides of filth, perversion, degeneracy, specious logic , disinformation and disingenuous espousal of various "liberation" and "environmental" causes that have engulfed us over the past 100 years.
One or two strict constitutionalists and libertarians among us roundly condemned me for daring even to think such thoughts. Their position, apparently, is that it would be far better for us to let ourselves be be destroyed by masters of deceit, institutionalized corruption, and crafty, manipulative abuse of the first amendment than to violate the sacred precepts of the Constitution.
To that I said, "NUTS! The US Constitution is not a Suicide Pact."
But seriously, how would you feel if "DEMONstrators" entered your church, and started to shout "FUCK, JESUS CHRIST!" or "THE VIRGIN MARY was a SLUT and a WHORE who TOOK IT UP THE ASS!" or YOUR GOD-DAMNED POPES HAVE ALL BEEN FAGGOTS!" or Your BREAD is SHIT. Your CHALICE is filled with PISS! etc.
How would you feel if "DEMONstrators" invaded the New York Stock Exchange in the midst of trading, and started to shout, "YOU GOD-DAMNED FUCKIN' BASTARDS! YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH of LYING, CHEATING, THIEVES and WARMONGERING HYPOCRITES!" and then started to move in and beat up the traders, rip up the records, and destroy the computers in order to paralyze the market resulting in multi-billion dollar losses and possibly a market CRASH?
I have the funniest feeling that not only would you not LIKE it, you would not "defend to the death" their right to SAY and DO these things either. [I bring "action" into the argument, because it's relevant ever since burning or otherwise desecrating the American Flag was officially labelled "speech" by our illustrious court.]
Once we allowed ourselves to be manipulated into letting go of our once-agreed-upon standards of decency, common sense, right conduct, and good taste, we started to lose our Civilization.
~ FreeThinke
Interesting that Silverfiddle's comment section has become a venue for mentioning my little inconsequential blog.
Never realized it was so powerful that so many of Silver's fine friends felt the need to mention it; but as Oscar Wilde once said, "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."
The commenter who labels himself "Darth Bacon" has been around for a while, and fancies himself a racy little raconteur. He used to visit my blog, leaving witticisms such as this one in my comment section:
Darth Bacon has left a new comment on your post "ELEGANCE":
Cocktopussy, why are you such a bedwetting, scared little punk?
Does it make your 'giny hurt when we pick on you, diddums?
Posted by Darth Bacon to Progressive Eruptions at May 25, 2011 9:26 PM'
Such a bon vivant!
He's since scrubbed his own blog that featured photos of men engaging in sodomy.
I've wondered where this boulevardier had been keeping himself as of late.
So cheering to see that he's lost none of his jocosity.
Ms. Shaw,
I admire your elegant exhibition of sangue froid in dealing with gratuitously insulting behavior.
As I never tire of saying, What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, but at the same time two wrongs have never made a right.
Sorry to lapse into a recital of tired clichés, but -- despite my noisy outburst of outrageous-soundng nonsense this morning -- I'm always happy to listen to anyone who is making an honest effort to communicate a point or points worth considering.
These childish games we play of merely trading insults and invective MUST stop if we are ever to make any progress in achieving a freer, more viable, and more prosperous society.
While I disagree with you about many things, I appreciate your being here, and am sorry you've been subjected to insolence and vulgarity. I know Kurt doesn't appreciate it any more than I do, though, as a champion of liberty, he allows it to stand.
Take care,
~ FreeThinke
FT: "These childish games we play of merely trading insults and invective MUST stop if we are ever to make any progress in achieving a freer, more viable, and more prosperous society."
Master,
My sentiments, exactly. And here is Miss Dickinson's words, which could be applied as well:
"Oh—did I offend it—Didn’t want me to tell it the truth Daisy—Daisy—offend it—who bends her smaller life to his [it’s] meeker [lower] every day—who only asks—a task who something to do for love of it—some little way she cannot guess to make that master glad.
and, for you:
What would you do with me if I came “in white”? Have you the little chest—to put the alive—in? I want to see you more—Sir—than all I wish for in this world—and the wish—altered a little—will be my only one."
Kinsley's article is sound, although I might disagree that truth has a natural advantage -- truth is frequently unpalatable.
The big umbrage episode of the last UK election was when Gorden Brown (then-PM) called Gillian Duffy, a lady he met on the campaign trail, a bigot. This was not intentionally broadcast, but uttered in the privacy of his limo as he unwound, unaware he was still mic'ed up and in range.
Now, clearly Brown really thought this woman was a bigot, and my feeling is, he should know. I expect he meets more bigots in his line of work than I do in mine. He's the expert. Nonetheless, the press demanded, and got, a colossal media event where Brown apologised publicly and privately for expressing a private opinion.
There's a clip somewhere on the internet where Gorden is confronted with the audio of his "bigot" remark during a radio interview. As one comedian remarked, you could literally see the moment when his political career left his body.
If this story interested you at all, then you're part of the problem. This whole thing was entirely irrelevant.
Just say no to fluff. If we all can't rise above bread and circuses, we deserve to share in the fate of Rome.
"...she now proudly sports the Bleeding Heart Victimhood Ribbon"
When the middle class and the no longer middle class figure out that they are the "true victims" of the ever expanding nanny state and their crony elitist partners. we will be able to reclaim the America that was. Not before!
O'Reilly last night has traced our plucky lassie back to Anita Dunn, more to follow. No doubt to even the score for Anita's unkind departure.
The umbrage episodes aren't just the default narrative of our politics. Indeed, they're the norm in the corporate world as well.
Witness Reed Hastings' smarmy backhanded apology after the Netflix price hike debacle last Fall.
Right along with dismissing any real personal accountability, our society has also lost the ability to truly feel remorse or even a hint of sincere regret. If you've done wrong, have the guts to face the music - and make it right!
FT,
Rush’s sponsors were deliberately intimidated by an orchestrated campaign of phone calls and emails from leftists...
CAIR uses the same tactics with frequency.
How would you feel if "DEMONstrators" invaded the New York Stock Exchange in the midst of trading, and started to shout, "YOU GOD-DAMNED FUCKIN' BASTARDS! YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH of LYING, CHEATING, THIEVES and WARMONGERING HYPOCRITES!" and then started to move in and beat up the traders, rip up the records, and destroy the computers in order to paralyze the market resulting in multi-billion dollar losses and possibly a market CRASH?
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Right on Brother FT, rock my world.
I won't mention that the trading is virtually all electronic because I really don't want to spoil your fun.
HEY YOU BRATS, GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN.
FT,
About your comment @ 3/9/12 8:10 AM ...
Personally, I look back on the Sixties as the time that began this erosion of decency.
I've noticed in the little group with which I work as a teacher, that "SOMETHING" has happened that I've not seen before in 14 years with this organization. People have such a sense of entitlement; they fly off the handle and make wild accusations ("You stole my iPhone!"), demand that I do this and that, evince all kinds of ill-bred manners. And I'm speaking of the PARENTS, not the children.
This is a new generation of parents, and I've had it up to my eyeballs with them.
As FT intimated above, this topic has grown tedious (just my opinion, Silverfiddle. Take on offense, please).
HOWEVER, maybe we had better keep track of this topic, after all!
Read THIS:
Gloria Allred has sent a letter to Denise Nieman, the County Prosecutor in West Palm Beach, Florida, on behalf of the Women’s Equal Rights Legal Defense and Education Fund, asking for an investigation into whether Rush Limbaugh violated Florida defamation law when he called Sandra Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute." Allred cites Section 836.04 of Florida Statute, which says that "whoever speaks of and concerning any woman, married or unmarried, falsely and maliciously imputing to her a want of chastity, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree."...
More at the above link.
Start the Conservative Alternate Reality False Equivalence Train!
Has Gloria Allred ever missed a chance for self promotion.
She still on the Pizza Man's dance card?
we will be able to reclaim the America that was. Not before!
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That was? When?
Does this mean that unions will be back to strengthen the middle class?
Yes, let's move back to those wonderful days before it all went bad. The fringe right utopia.
Beating the crap out of homos.
Hanging uppity blacks.
Let's go back to making films under the Hays Code. That should block any bad thoughts.
And we ALL loved America.
... does make me wonder what you are all so nostalgic for.
Mom is in the kitchen and the bad girls are getting back alley abortions.
Senator McCarthy is on prime time along with lots of propaganda. Richard Carlson in "I Led 3 Lives" on the TV.
FT: I read your filthy outburst, and you misapply a principle.
Someone entering the stock exchange, a church, or any other property not owned by them and shouting such dirty profanities get whatever they have coming to them, since they are violating the property rights of others.
Your rights end where someone else's begin.
If you want to engage in such foul-mouthed flare-ups in a public place, good luck. I will not defend to the death your right blather blue blazes nonsense.
AOW:
I do apologize for continuing to bang this drum, but it is important because it involves our fundamental rights, and I never tire of pointing out progressive propaganda.
What fundamental rights?
The right of advertisers to choose who represents their product?
What right?
Kurt,
I'm glad you have acknowledged -- at last -- that there should be limits placed on "free speech beyond the usual "You can't shout fire in a crowded theater" routine.
I hope you did not miss my point in posting those grotesque remarks? In case you did, I was certainly not expressing MY feelings about your church or anyone else's, I was merely using extreme examples of unacceptable "speech" to illustrate the impossibility of allowing and encouraging an "Anything Goes" atmosphere to prevail in the public square.
This is the point where libertarianism fails, and some sort of social control must be brought in.
You seem to feel, however, that the sort of blasphemous vulgarity I used to illustrate a point is somehow WORSE than allowing the flow of Communist Propaganda and other forms of poisonous, subversive, disruptive, destructive, corrosive, anti-social ideology via Entertainment, News, Education, and Publishing to continue unimpeded, because of the First Amendment.
Sometimes it's necessary to shock people into confronting a point.
I'm sorry if I offended you in so doing, but if you now understand that complete freedom cannot exist if we are to have orderly, decent, clean productive society, risking alienation was worth it.
I happen to believe -- quite passionately -- that Marxist and Islamist propaganda subtly infused into our system via the educational system is far more offensive, far more harmful, has far worse long-reaching consequences and is more genuinely obscene than shouting any of the adolescent style filth traditionally regarded as "blasphemy."
Words per se have no power other than that which we give them.
IDEOLOGY, however, is a horse of another color. Look what it did to Russia, Look what it did to China, Southeast Asia, Cuba, Central America, Venezuela. Look what it did to Germany and Japan. Look what it's done and keeps on doing in the Middle East. Look at the effect it's had on Europe -- and then look again at what's it's been doing to US since long before most of us were born.
And THEN tell me there should be no attempt to control the dissemination of ideas no matter how vile and destructive they might prove to be.
If we're going to honor taboos, let's make sure the MOST harmful things are considered part of that category.
~ FreeThinke
"When I die,I want the newspapers to write that the sons of bitches of this world have lost their leader.
--- Freethinker
(well actually Mark Harris in Bang the Drum Slowly )
Let me repeat the last paragraph of my "offensive" post, because I'm pretty sure many never got that far before they got turned off.
"Once we allowed ourselves to be manipulated into letting go of our once-agreed-upon standards of decency, common sense, right conduct, and good taste, we started to lose our Civilization.
THAT WAS THE POINT of all that came before it.
~ FreeThinke
2012 - Not just an election
It's a restraining order.
AOW, re your post at 12:03 PM:
I agree about the Sick-sties, but have come to understand that the Sick-sties were the eruption of deadly explosives with very very very long fuses that were laid beneath our feet long before we were born.
The Sick-sties didn't just happen, all of that was the result of ruthless scheming and long-range planning on the part of Marxists, Progressive and Cultural Marxists.
"Beware the Little Foxes ..."
I'm glad you understood what I was driving at, and didn't see it nothing but gratuitous profanity. I don't often speak that way, but every once in a while it seems singularly appropriate since we live in an age that might very well be called The Age of Obscenity given the nature of our popular culture.
After living with it for nearly fifty years, I am still saddened, depressed, angered and disturbed by the apparently sudden changes that came about right after I graduated from college.
~ FT
Ducky: Imaginary rights do not trump real rights. Go read the constitution.
FT: I don't know what overinflated point you are trying to make. I am not an anarchist.
This Fluke gal is a 30 year-old law student who is currently on the precipice of a six figure salary and a degree from one of the top 15 Law Schools in America. For the left to somehow portray the gal as some sort of victim (aside from Mr. Limbaugh's idiotic commentary, I'm saying) is borderline nauseating, I think. Enough already............
""whoever speaks of and concerning any woman, married or unmarried, falsely and maliciously imputing to her a want of chastity, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree."... "
I would say that her own statements would belie a charge of 'falsely' imputing a want of chastity.
Perhaps she can sue Rush for definition of character?
Sorry. I just couldn't resist. ;-)
I was assiduously striving to avoid this topic until I read that. My only question is when in hell did she find time to study law?
viburnum
"FT: I don't know what overinflated point you are trying to make. I am not an anarchist."
Either you see it, or you don't. There's nothing to be gained in belaboring this particular issue any longer. It's probably best just to let it go -- at least for now.
Be of good cheer
There's nothing to fear --
From me.
Like you I try to champion
Sanity
Without tramplin' on
Liberty.
'Tis a fine line we tread,
Till at last we are dead --
And then truly free.
~ FT
Will Hart -- we're not portraying her as a victim. We're portraying her as the kind of accomplished woman who scares the crap out of right wing thumpers.
Silver, are you for real? You really don't think the pill is a women's health issue? Once again you prove the reality that conservatives are simply unable to ever imagine anything beyond their own personal experiences. The pill is taken for a host of serious health reasons, aside from birth control and happy lives, which you don't care about anyway. Just regulating difficult periods would seem to me to be cause enough to demand insurance coverage for the pill. And we're talking up to like 100 dollars a month, ya' know. Maybe that's not much to you, but then that gets me back to my observation of conservatives... And then there's this notion of socialistic demands. How the fuck is it a socialistic demand to have insurance cover things you need just as much as what everyone else covered by that same insurance expects for themselves? Do you have a fuckin' clue how insurance works???
Eh, I guess no matter what I say, you're just not going to care.
JMJ
Jersey: Serious question. Do you read the article before you post? If so, you need glasses.
Nowhere did I deny pills were a womans health issue.
I did though provide a link that totally demolishes your claim that birth control pills cost over $100/month. I do admire your ability to march in lockstep.
I don't feel the need to defend Mr. Limbaugh, he does pretty well on his own. I find it rather comical how the Left are all over his comments when we hear a lot worse coming out of the mouths of the Liberals. We all know how vile they were towards Sarah Palin and her family.
The Liberals can dish out but they sure as hell can't take it when the tables are turned. Too bad.
Did "CHaw" get deleted? I don't see what everyone's referring to.......
Imus; what the heck's happened to him? He's got a lot of nerve. Sometimes I think it's just to tick his wonderful Bernard off!
The pill's health benefits are such a small percentage of why the pill's taken that it makes me laugh every time I read it's about HEALTH. Yes, in a minority of cases it can be a help (hormonal problems)but it can cause DEATH. It can cause blood clots, headaches, early menopause, etc etc. Frankly, I think that when we're talking pure HEALTH reasons (and not the obvious contraception), the bad and good outweigh each other.
Silverfiddle,
AOW:
I do apologize for continuing to bang this drum, but it is important because it involves our fundamental rights, and I never tire of pointing out progressive propaganda.
Please don't apologize. I didn't mean for my comment to be construed in the sense that you may have interpreted.
In my view, we shouldn't "burn out" on this topic so far in advance of the election. Know what I mean?
FT,
Yes, the foundations for the Sixties were laid long before. But we saw the first of the harvest of fruition in our faces in the 60s.
The average cost per month of the first ten prescription contraceptives for sale at http://www.birthcontrol.com/ is $30.49
While there are in fact several products at that site close to Jersey's figure the majority are well below that.
The eight lowest average $15.08 per month
Admittedly I'm neither a Gyn nor a pharmacologist but I'd think there would need to be a compelling medical reason to write the high priced script for anyone, let alone a college student.
viburnum
Good grief!
Jersey, taking quinine for malaria is medicine, taking quinine in your gin and seltzer is not. Should your insurance company be required to provide you with quinine for gin and tonics?
How hard is this concept to understand.
"Do you have a fuckin' clue how insurance works???"
Do you?
Don't like your employer's insurance? Go down to your HR department and ask them what you get if you "opt out" (PS. It's negotiable... unless of course you're a union member).
The division I work for was recently sold to another company. I know about half a dozen people who opted out of the new companies insurance plan to keep their old plan at Anthem Blue Cross-Blue Shield. I myself opted out of the new company's plan... and you know what? I get paid the money the company would have matched in contribution, the only difference is it isn't tax-free up front.
Here, I'll get you started:
http://get.anthem.com
https://www.cigna-insurance.com
I'm sure if you google "health insurance" you too will get about196,000,000 results in .26 seconds.
Know how to write a check?
It's a wonder you don't starve...where do your groceries come from?
Cheers!
AOW: I went to the link, and not to cast aspersions, but I don't think any of those ladies need birth control.
The left just keeps serving up one absurdity after another...
On topic: lol
Bill Maher knows which side his bread is buttered on, which probably explains why he's defending Rush.
Me, I don't like Rush... haven't listened to him since the late 80's. But I'll defend his right to speak, even to call her a slut (although mooch would probably be a better adjective), as I defended Don Imus' "nappy headed hos" statement.
Protected Free speech doesn't mean unoffensive, unoffensive speech doesn't need protection. The worst contrived 'right' of the left is this right not to be offended, insulted, disparaged, etc.
Ducky: "They are talking about the Breitbart tapes "
Funny, I have an hour commute each way and listen to Patriot on Sirius... haven't heard the tapes mentioned once.
FT: Your philosophy on speech works great provided you're with the majority, if the majority disagrees with your political philosophy you're screwed... or do you wish to dictate acceptable political philosophies too?
You know, the old soviet army had what was known as "political officers" to make sure everyone towed and mouthed the party line. Sounds like it's right up your alley.
And frankly, as SF pointed out, the only thing wrong in your little foul mouthed rant was the trespassing part.
So when it comes down to it... do I get to silence your opinion which I vehemently disagree with? Perhaps SF should edit and repost your comments so they are more in line with his political philosophy, as a little experiment in free speech.
Cheers!
Finntann, and the rest of you "men," I feel sorry for you. If you can't appreciate the pill, then you really are deeply insecure.
JMJ
Jersey, I can 'appreciate' the pill just fine, thank you.
I have no objections to contraception, I have no objections to the pill.
I have no objections to insurance covering the pill.
I've never had any problems obtaining contraceptives when needed, mechanical, hormonal, or otherwise.
*whispers* In fact, I've even seen contraceptive dispensers in the men's rooms at night clubs ;)
I have objections to government making up problems and then dictating the solutions to the problems.
Tammany Hall used to hand out liquor for votes... I see things haven't really changed that much.
Shaw, Darth Bacon a racist piece of shit that doesn't even have the balls to show his true self. How convenient it is that he hides behind a cloak of anonymity. Most of the conservative trolls do. You probably cut his lifeline. He won't know what to do with himself without being able to post here. Poor Darth. Everyone is ignoring him. He can't respond to all of us talking shit about him. I bet he's a 85 year old obese old man. I know he's obese. I saw another post of his on another blog in Philly talking about it. What a sad sad fat old man. He's probably in a basement apartment picking his acne with a lot of cats, massaging his copies of Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged and the Catcher in the Rye.
Darth you and I both know that you are a liar and a coward.You "spoofed" my name on your antisemitic buddies sites and you try to make me look like a antisemite. You make your cause look bad by being a fucking LIAR. When you have to lie, you already LOST! You will always be a coward and a liar. You can use your little childish words to ridicule me and make new sockpuppets everyday, you will be the same pathetic, lying , cowardly racist LIAR you always are. Why is it to you that being pro Jewish is the same as being anti black. Being pro black is not being anti Semitic.
Darth Bacon: "Banning Shaw and Saty" Say it ain't so! How are we going to get along without these two Bitches of Evil?"
The eminent Darth Bacon refers to me as a "Bitch of Evil."
How droll.
"Shaw is a feckless and bitter ASS.."
We should give DB some props for his imaginative prose in debasing women. He is right up there with the best of misogynists!
"Bitch of Evil," and "feckless and bitter ASS!"
Heavens, Darth Bacon! You say that as if it were a bad thing.
Hugs and Kisses to you Darthie!
Mwhah,
Shaw Kenawe
Bitch of Evil
LOL!
Kid,
I didn't see your comment before I posted mine.
Please don't ever think that intellectually challenged minds like Darth Bacon's could ever hurt my feelings.
He actually brings laughter into my life.
Seriously. Being called the "Bitch of Evil" is so uproariously funny that I'm tempted to change my blognym.
I actually love it!
Best to you and all the lovely commenters here.
Fondly,
Shaw Kenawe
Bitch of Evil
Might I suggest Darth and Shaw get a room and get it over with... Kid can watch.
This is without a shadow of a doubt one of the most dismal, depressing exercises in futility in which I've ever participated -- and that's really saying something after 12 solid years of observing one Carnival of Contempt and one Feces Festival after another.
Would I "enforce" minimum standards of decency and ability to reason?
Nope. It wouldn't be worth the effort, even if I could.
I'm just fed up sick and tired of reading cold-hearted analysis, blethering idiocy, endless insults and repeated attempts to shame and bully others into submission.
I'll say it once again though I doubt its significance could ever sink in:
Once we allowed ourselves to be manipulated into letting go of our once-agreed-upon standards of decency, common sense, right conduct, and good taste, we started to lose our Civilization.
Those once-agreed-upon standards of decency and right conduct disappeared in the mid-Sick-sties.
I've mourned their loss nearly all my adult life, and will continue to do so no doubt till the day I die.
The way we treat each other these days is a disgrace.
Good night,
~ FreeThinke
Jersey:
I feel sorry for you because you can't read or follow an argument.
Cost aside, the essence of Fluke's argument is that reproductive freedom requires free birth control. By the same logic, religious freedom requires kosher food subsidies, freedom of speech requires taxpayer-funded computers, and the right to keep and bear arms requires government-supplied guns.
That was written by Jacob Sullum, no Rush fan and no fan of organized religion.
Are you sure Bd and Liberalmann haven't crawled into your brain?
You're unusually obtuse lately.
Finntann: "The worst contrived 'right' of the left is this right not to be offended, insulted, disparaged, etc."
You forgot to add, ... while being at perfect liberty to offend, insult, and disparage anyone who may disagree with them.
viburnum
~FreeThinke said:
"The way we treat each other these days is a disgrace."
I feel your pain, FT. Hang in there. Get a big sleep.
“The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts.”
― Marcus Aurelius
Jersey McJones said...
Finntann, and the rest of you "men," I feel sorry for you. If you can't appreciate the pill, then you really are deeply insecure."
This is simply priceless. Please, gentleman, be still and appreciate the pill. No matter how deeply insecure you are! Wait...because of the things the men are saying here they're totally against the pill? REALLY?
Jersey, that's hilarious!
For the record it took me a while to figure out "Shaw Kenawe" is pronounced "Shock-n-Awe" :)
Very clever!
Thank you for your empathy, KP.
You quoted Marcus Aurelius.
"“The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts.”
Yes, and perhaps I ought to add -- and your capacity for keeping them yourself. ;-)
It's sad to say, but in my experience whenever you stand up to be counted, you're apt to be shot down, and whenever you stick your neck out, someone is ready, willing, able, and -- eager -- to chop your head off.
The heart asks pleasure first
And then excuse from pain ––
And then those little anodynes ––
That deaden suffering.
And then to go to sleep ––
And then, if it should be
The will its Inquisitor ––
The liberty to die.
Miss Emily Dickinson was not always an eloquent purveyor of solace, encouragement and good cheer, but she always told the truth -- as she saw it -- which, if you stop to think about it, is all any of us could properly hope to do.
She lived and wrote in splendid isolation. Had she been more a functioning part of "the real world," she would probably never have been motivated to leave us her unique testimony.
I like a look of Agony,
Because I know it's true —
Men do not sham Convulsion,
Nor simulate, a Throe —
The Eyes glaze once — and that is Death —
Impossible to feign
The Beads upon the Forehead
By homely Anguish strung.
That may appear depressing, but I doubt the lady was depressed. She was -- as all of us should learn to be -- her own best friend and confidante.
~ FreeThinke
Like many here, I’ve read a lot about the loss of a treasured conservative warrior, Andrew Breitbart for many days now. One point about him that comes through frequently is that he was a pioneer of this venue, the New Media entirely made possible by the Internet. Andrew partnered up with Matt Drudge in his early ventures into the internet and it’s ability to supplant the LSM by appealing directly to the people, without passing through so many editorial desks prior to being printed or aired. With ~90% of the editorial and news staff identifying themselves as liberal, it’s obvious that the truth would be bent, twisted or entirely rewritten as portrayed in the old media. Along with this and perhaps even more notorious is their conscious picking of information to be released or buried, to support their personal viewpoints. Andrew had a vision that the internet was an real alternative to the liars of the left with their perceived monolithic audience. On a personal note Breitbart was of unique character, fearless and able to dive right into the slime to get the truth to the public. He truly enjoyed sticking it to the left and the more they went into convulsions attacking him, the more he pushed, and we LOVED IT! Like many fellow conservatives, I’ve always prayed that someone would come forward like this to be the spear point of conservatism, unafraid and unabashed to fiercely defend the views of the right thinking people of America. We need folks with balls p.e.r.i.o.d. Enough of this fucking go-along to get-along, civility based horseshit. I see it as collaboration with the enemy, as the left always, always gets what they want in the end, and our side gets it up the Khyber every time for even trying. Andrew bull-dozed around all this nonsense and made his case directly to us. Andrew was a master at playing the entrenched MSM. He gained notoriety with James O’Keefe taking down ACORN, well at least in that particular incantation. O’Keefe had the tactics for the sting, but Breitbart was a master planner in revealing the information to the world in a way that did maximum damage to the other side. This perhaps, was his real genius. Some have coined it ambush journalism, which while true, represents what passes for journalism in America today. Tell me it wasn’t an ambush when Stephafuckingnopoulos jumped Romney in the January republican debate asking about supporting states right to ‘ban contraception’. That one came out of nowhere and we wondered why Georgie even went there. We found the answer when Ogabe came out with his attack on the Catholic Church in February. That cheap little fucker, smiling with two loads of jizm dripping off his chin, didn’t make it to the lecture in ‘J’ school that said it was a dangerous form of questioning, likely to be placed forcefully into your colon. The classic form of this uses the example ‘Tell me, when did you stop beating your wife?’, putting the target immediately on the defensive and off-balanced. This question was during a fucking DEBATE. Fuck ‘em all, that’s really ambush journalism. Breitbart no doubt, would have broken that one off in George ‘sweaty ball licker’ Stephanopoulos’ well-used ass. I think I’m safe in saying that we all screamed at the damned idiot box hearing that one, but it was an example of how far the dinosaur media would go in support of their Master. We needed someone that could master dealing with these abominable questions and lies disguised as stories coming from the lackey DSM. Only the L-rd knows why our friend was called home at a time where his intellect, talent and fearlessness were so desperately needed. I’m sure his many staffers across the Breitbart family of websites are ready and able to carry on his mission. But they need our help, it’s hard to replace an Einstein of the Alternate Media. We must help as we can make up for his loss with vast numbers of people that shared Andrew’s vision for a restored America
For Ms. Shaw (If you're still around):
Our lives are Swiss ––
So still –– so cool
Till some odd afternoon
The Alps neglect their curtains ––
And we see farther on.
Italy stands the other side ––
While like a guard between ––
The solemn Alps ––
The siren Alps ––
Forever intervene!
~ ED quoted by FT
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I long to take a hammer
To every wretched spammer!
With constant abuse
Or vast overuse
Our vaunted freedom of speech
Will soon be put out of reach.
~ FT
Happy Birthday, Chuck Norris.
FT,
The way we treat each other these days is a disgrace.
I don't mind a firefight on the web -- to a certain point. After that, nothing much is accomplished, IMO.
Anyway, the disgrace that you mentioned goes well beyond the web. For some reason, people seem to believe themselves ENTITLED to use other people as doormats.
You can work side by side with someone for years, then all of a sudden, you get treated like shit on the floor. "Do this, do that." Am I supposed to respond to "Jump!" by saying "How high?"
I will not do so.
Period.
I'm all for turning the other cheek and do so with regularity. But I'm finding that I've become Rodney Dangerfield: "I can't get no respect."
I guess that you can tell that I've had some, uh, recent incidents.
PS: I wish that you were in my area to teach an Emily Dickinson unit to one of my classes.
@Baconburger -- and has run a muck(sic) with this madness
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amok
You've got some other beauties in there.
Watch out, bubba, you're trying to punch outside your weight.
"Watch out, bubba, you're trying to punch outside your weight."
Guess I'm not the only one who agreed with your assessment. LOL
Guilty dog barks loudest, Ducky.
Darth: It would strike me as far more likely that you have encroached far enough on our kindly host's sense of propriety to prompt deletion. For future reference, being rude and obnoxious in someone else's space is insulting to your host as well as your target.
"Cost aside, the essence of Fluke's argument is that reproductive freedom requires free birth control. By the same logic, religious freedom requires kosher food subsidies, freedom of speech requires taxpayer-funded computers, and the right to keep and bear arms requires government-supplied guns."
Silver, I completely understood that specious, sleazy argument of his, and pointed out that, number one, INSURANCE is not government-taxpayer assistance, and two, there's much more to the pill than just reproductive freedom!
JMJ
JMJ: "INSURANCE is not government-taxpayer assistance"
Insurance per se is not the issue.
Arguing for a government mandate that a religious based institution must violate it's Constitutionally protected beliefs to provide such insurance is.
Obama's 'compromise' on that point is nothing more than camouflage. Insurance companies are not in the business of giving things away. Sooner or later, openly or disguised, the cost is passed on to the customer.
"INSURANCE is not government-taxpayer assistance"
You are correct, provided government stays out of it.
If the government takes a dollar from you and gives it to SF...the dollar it takes from you is a tax, the dollar it gives to SF is an entitlement.
If the government mandates that you give a dollar to SF it's a regulation? Nice try.
Interesting approach though.
Cheers!
It is so gorgeous outside today :)
Finntann --- Do you support repeal of the insurance industry's antitrust exemption?
I assume you do. Without ]repeal there is no way you can talk about "free market (LMFAO) solutions".
You know something, AOW, the friendliest, kindest, most open-hearted people I know these days are the women who run my eye surgeon's office, some of the folks who wait on tables at the breakfast joints I frequent, the guy who trims my yard, and the couple who help keep my house clean and orderly. They are what my mother would have called "The Salt of the Earth." To Orwell they were "The Proles." Thank God for them. If anyone could save the world, it's likely to be them -- not the elite professionals.
The "professional" class - the college graduates -- the moderately-rich retirees -- the bankers, the realtors, the lawyers -- PFFFFFT! PHOOEY! FUGGEDDIT! They're so self-absorbed, so fearful that someone's going to try to take advantage of them, so suspicious of everything that seems natural and right to me that they come off as downright rude.
Our Neighborhood Association Meetings tend to resemble these unpleasant threads in the blogosphere -- everyone just bristling with hostility and spoiling for a fight -- over NOTHING.
I know JUST what you mean about people feeling "entitled" to make peremptory demands.
As I keep saying, we long ago abandoned our once-agreed upon standards of decency and right conduct. This abrupt, abrasive "in your face" thing established itself very quickly once Pandora's Box sprang open in the Sick-sties. It was no accident that it happened, however. Mass Media long ago established itself as a powerful form of Mass Hypnosis.
~ FreeThinke
PS: I'd be glad to make a few suggestions as to what Dickinson poems you might want to explore with your students, if that would help. As you probably know, they naturally fall to several categories. Many are cryptic in the extreme. I wouldn't start with those, if I were teaching an introductory course. - FT
I am wondering what the real story is? Most of the time when a story such as this is getting attention, something important is happening, which the powers that be do not want us to focus on.
Well Trestin, I think this was a bit of a bonus but I'm convinced Obama had Sibelius declare the birth control mandate because he knew the fringe would go wild and strengthen L'il Ricky's campaign.
Boy, did they ever. Masterful piece of political gamesmanship.
"Masterful piece of political gamesmanship."
Yup! The Republicans sure let themselves get FLUKED once again.
DING-a-LING!
DING-a-LING!
DING-a-LING!
Score another victory for The EVIL Party over the STUPID Party.
This has NOTHING to do with either "Women's Health" OR "Abortion Control." It doesn't even have anything to do with "Religious Freedom."
Like all the phony "Rights" and "Liberation" issues the Left has loudly forced into prominence and put before us like so many ten-ton boulders blocking The Road to Salvation, this is just another in a long long series of "PLOYS" designed to USURP still more power in the Long March toward Totalitarianism.
The Borgias knew how to handle such threats. They'd have invited the nettlesome bitch to dinner and put cyanide in her soup. The next day her body would have been found "mysteriously" floating face down in the vicinity of the Bridge of Sighs, and that would have been that.
Oh how one longs for those simpler days of old!
~ FreeThinke
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The political prostitute, Fluke,
Had an undeserved run of good luck
Still a student a thirty
She wants to live dirty
At our expense. Doesn’t that suck?
~ FreeThinke
WHOOPS!
Come to think of it if Sandra had been done in by the Borgias, her body would have been floating in the Arno near the Ponte Vecchio -- nowhere near The Bridge of Sighs.
Sorry!
~ FT
Gloria Allred
Castigating vixen on the prowl
Under no constraints of good decorum
Never missing chances to cry foul
This dominatrix seizes every forum.
Overbearing, shrieking old virago,
Nasty as three-day-old garlic breath,
This baggage must have studied in Chicago.
Her nature like the lady named Macbeth
Eerily erupts in ersatz rage
Prompted by the lust to castrate men.
Roaring like a mad beast in a cage
Our All Red Gloria befouls her den.
With extravagant dishonesty she’ll claim
Love for Justice, but her claim is lame.
~ FreeThinke
Off topic.
Okay, I think I got the video up.
Here's the link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T-mY_QrPDdY
Let me know if it worked. Thank you!
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I wonder if Maher's vaunted wits
Compare well with his bimbo's tits?
};-)>
Same thing I said over at Conservative Lady...
Oh yea, king obama got his hand caught in a monkey hole, and he and his stooges like pelosi pulled out all the stops. Too bad rush limbaugh stuck his hand into the monkey hole on the other side of the tree.
This woman could have been debunked, folded, stapled, and mutilated by asking a few simple questions. Like gee, food, housing and energy, things all essential to life on Earth cost a lot more than BC pills and condoms, why isn't she asking for assistance with those expenses.
And a final comment would have been, Why do the democrats Always use subterfuge to try to get their agenda points across. Can they not make a simple case explanation to the public and be prepared to defend themselves in debate? I think even stupid people can understand concepts like that. That's what I'd do. Embarrass the * out of them every time they pull this adolescent crap.
What's worse is I think rush is smarter than this, and he 'screws up' on a number of other issues too. Not that I listen to him, but the major issues find their way past my news.google page, that I see several times a day at work.
FT,
Go easy on Ducky. With the Breitbart tapes being released, Ducky is coming face to face with the brutal truth that his President is a white-hating racist, ala Wright, Bell, and Michelle.
His world is shattered, and he's lashing out indiscriminately. His inner child is bearing the marks of true heartbreak.
I cannot decide whether feigned indignance or accusations of racism are my favorite Leftie ploy to obfuscate the topic at hand. Can I have two favorites?
Andie
FT,
I've left a comment for you at my site -- at the "Eurabia" thread.
@Kid: Why do the democrats Always use subterfuge to try to get their agenda points across. Can they not make a simple case explanation to the public and be prepared to defend themselves in debate?
Excellent point!
We all know the answer. Because America ain't buyin' what they're sellin' so they gotta sneak it through.
Leticia: Your kid's got talent!
I take back yesterday's blanket condemnation of this thread -- tedious though the focus on Sandra Fluke's naughty little publicity stunt remains.
There have been numerous brilliant observations posted among the steaming piles of doo doo that mar and pollute the discussion.
~ FreeThinke
You alwyas know when the right is culpable when they have to defect to a liberal comedian, lol!
Hey twoguys2012-- Charlie Pierce has the best line on NotSoBreitbart that I've seen lately in his Mrch 10th column.
"Oh, come on now. I sincerely hope Shirley Sherrod and her lawyers win so big in this thing that they have to dig up Andrew Breitbart and collect the pennies off his eyes."
@kid --- I think even stupid people can understand concepts like that. That's what I'd do. Embarrass the * out of them every time they pull this adolescent crap.
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Yeah right, short bus.
ABANDON STOCK PHRASES.
DO IT TODAY
~ FT
"By the same logic, religious freedom requires kosher food subsidies, freedom of speech requires taxpayer-funded computers, and the right to keep and bear arms requires government-supplied guns."
Good one, i'll remember that when i hear some liberal sponger going on about sponging away.
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